You Should NEVER Get Hungry On Your Low-Carb Lifestyle (Episode 104)
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Hello and welcome to the Internet’s number one source for low-carb advice, motivation, news and opinions, “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show With Jimmy Moore!”
In today’s episode, our on-the-spot host Jimmy fields a question from a listener (as he is always glad to do! 
) who has been having trouble with hunger on her “high-protein” diet. Listen in to hear Jimmy’s great advice to her about staying on plan by following the low-carb program of your choice and eating the low-carb foods that give you that wonderfully satiated feeling.
And don’t miss details on our upcoming drawing for yet another 3-pack of Jimmy Moore’s new “Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Bar!” They’re Raspberrylicious!
LINKS MENTIONED IN EPISODE 104
- Jimmy Moore’s new “Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Bar” is available from CarbSmart, Netrition, and Amazon (coming soon to the ChocoPerfection web site)
- Stay in the low-carb loop with Jimmy Moore’s “Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb” blog
- Contact Jimmy Moore anytime at livinlowcarbman@charter.net
- Jimmy Moore’s low-fat diet experience
- Eating lots of small meals keeps hunger at bay
- Related blog post: “Satiety The Secret To Effective Weight Loss”
- Related blog post: “Hunger On Low-Carb Means Something’s Wrong”
Did you miss anything Jimmy said? Don’t worry, there’s a full transcript waiting for you–just click the following link!
Transcript of Episode 104:
Coming up…you should NEVER get hungry on your low-carb lifestyle.
Welcome friends and fellow low-carbers to Episode 104 of “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show with Jimmy Moore.” We’re rolling along here providing you with twice-weekly doses of education, encouragement and inspiration for your healthy low-carb lifestyle. The feedback we’ve been getting to our most recent podcasts has been amazing, so I encourage you to keep sharing what you think. I’ve received quite a few e-mails from listeners who said they were as motivated by the reader comments as they were my podcasts. That’s what we’re here for is to give each other the positive reinforcement we need to keep at it until we reach our goals. And today’s topic will once again whet your appetite for sharing your experiences. We’ll get into that in just a moment.
Continuing the contest we started on Monday, everyone who leaves a comment in the show notes section at TheLivinLowCarbShow.com for Episode 104 will become eligible to win a three-pack of my new “Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Bar” that premiered last month! I’ll announce the winner on Monday’s show but you can get your own stash of these sugar-free, low-carb raspberry, dark chocolate bars from CarbSmart.com, Netrition.com, and Amazon.com. Share your comments about the show and you may just win a sweet low-carb treat! GOOD LUCK!
As you can imagine, I get my fair share of e-mails on a daily basis and I actually love hearing from my LivinLaVidaLowCarb.com blog readers and the listeners of this podcast show. I count it a privilege to read what you have to say and respond accordingly. You are welcome to send me an e-mail anytime at livinlowcarbman@charter.net and I will write you back. It’s the least I can do for you taking the time to e-mail me. Many times, I have already covered the answer to the questions that are asked, but it never gets old helping people continue the learning process as they implement the strategies into their lives. Sometimes there are some recurring themes that pop up among the e-mails and I have an example of one to share with you today. Here’s an e-mail illustration to explain it:
“Hello there. Congrats on your weight loss success. I have a question for you. I am doing the high protein diet but I am ALWAYS hungry and eat all the time. I eat all protein and A LOT of it. Was it the same for you? How can I fix this? I feel like at this rate I will gain weight rather than lose it.”
Sound familiar anyone? It simply amazes me how people can claim to be livin’ la vida low-carb and at the same time be in CONSTANT hunger. This is one of the major reasons why low-fat and low-calorie diets can be dangerous and fail, not the low-carb ones as is often portrayed by the media and those ever-present health “experts.” The key difference between those failed diet plans and livin’ la vida low-carb is the satiety factor. Satiety equals NO HUNGER! In fact, studies have shown satiety, or the ability to be satisfied after eating, to be the secret to low-carb diets and why they work so well for so many people. I can personally attest to the fact that I was absolutely miserable in 1999 when I was on a low-fat diet because of one thing: H-U-N-G-E-R!!!
When you are losing weight, the last thing you want to do is get hungry. I have VIVID memories of when I was losing weight on that low-fat diet aided by Slim-Fast back in the late-1990s and I would get so ravenously hungry that my mood would quickly change for the worse. My dear wife Christine will tell you that it wasn’t a pretty picture either. Hunger during weight loss is like getting overheated while you are running an outdoor marathon. Your mind and will have the “want to,” but your body steps in to tell you that “enough is enough!” That’s what happened when I had lost 170 pounds in 1999 on my low-fat diet. Yes, despite having lost an incredible amount of weight that everyone was ooohing and ahhhing about, I was literally STARVING myself! I could remember making a Slim-Fast shake for breakfast and within 15 minutes of drinking that “meal” my stomach would start growling. I was able to ignore that while I was losing weight because that’s what I thought you had to do in order to get your weight under control. But, as you can imagine, I grew very frustrated by the hunger pangs when I was attempting to control my weight and finally threw in the towel on my “diet” after about a year of eating that way. THAT is why low-fat diets failed me so miserably!Predictably, in just a matter of four months, I gained back every single pound that I had lost in that previous year and then some! The lesson I learned in all of this is that when it comes to weight loss success, you MUST find something that will keep you satiated or else you are doomed to fail. Low-fat diets don’t cut it for people like me because most of them are loaded with carbohydrates which spike your blood sugar, release insulin into your body, and keep you craving for more and more and more food. Yikes! Low-carb plans like Atkins, though, allow you to eat greater amounts of healthy fats and protein to keep your body well-fueled with foods that ward off hunger for hours.
But what’s with this hungry thing on low-carb that I’ve been getting in my e-mail box? I have to be honest with you and say that just totally baffles me because it has not been my experience on low-carb. Ask my wife Christine, I do NOT like feeling hungry. It’s one reason I started livin’ la vida low-carb in the first place. Waiting for hunger to happen in my eyes is an awful thing because I get so ravenous that I could eat the house down. That’s why I eat about 6-8 meals a days every few hours so that mean old hunger monster can’t get me. Being the ever-so-curious (okay, I’m nosy!) person that I am, I just had to ask my hungry, protein-eating dieting reader to share with me what she eats on her “high-protein diet.” The answers she provided were quite illuminating. Check out this list of foods she typically eats on her low-carb diet:
- Boiled chicken breast with tabasco sauce
- Turkey
- 4 oz cheese
- Egg whites with tabasco sauce
- Turkey bacon
- 2-3 cups lettuce with vinegar
- High-protein puddings
- Cheese-flavored bars
- Soy jerky
EWWWW! Can you see why this person is “ALWAYS hungry” on her low-carb, high-protein plan? It’s pretty obvious to anyone who has been livin’ la vida low-carb for any length of time and been successful at it that she’s doing low-carb the wrong way which is the best one-way ticket to becoming a crash and burn weight loss failure. This is PRECISELY what happens when you don’t read a reputable low-carb book BEFORE attempting to start livin’ la vida low-carb. I feel like a broken record sometimes saying this because I repeat this message so often until I get blue in the face. But apparently the message is not getting through to everyone and I’m happy to KEEP repeating it until it finally sinks in. I’ve seen it happen a million times before from many well-meaning people, but it totally breaks my heart when I see it happening again and again. Even when people sit down long enough to read a popular low-carb plan like Atkins, Protein Power, or South Beach, they always seem to think THEY know how to make it healthier themselves by cutting the fat, too! UGH! Why do people do that to themselves?! Heed this message: Don’t mix low-carb with low-fat! When you do that, you simply negate the positive benefits that fat can have in your body as well as take away your only remaining fuel source when carbohydrates are significantly reduced. In a high-carb diet, fat is destructive to your body in conjunction with all those carbs and will lead you straight to morbid obesity and other related health ailments. But with a low-carb diet, fat (and even saturated fat!) is your friend and you NEED it to provide your body with energy as well as fighting hunger! Yep, that’s right! While protein is certainly an important element in keeping you full and satisfied throughout the day, fat also prevents the body from becoming ravenously hungry. This is one of the major elements that my reader is lacking in her current diet. Just about everything she eats is much lower in fat than it needs to be (um, can you say boiled chicken, turkey bacon, and soy jerky? No wonder she’s hungry ALL THE TIME!).
Here are a few suggestions I have for her to improve her diet:
- Add non-starchy veggies like cauliflower, broccoli, and green beans
- Include more salad greens (like spinach) with broccoli, tomatoes and cucumbers
- Avoid the processed cheese bars and get some real full-fat cheese instead
- Start eating the egg yolk too because that’s the healthiest part of the egg
- Enjoy the naturally healthy low-carb foods God created
- And above all, EAT MORE FAT!!!
There are many more suggestions about improving her diet, but these are an excellent start. The bottom line is there is absolutely NO reason why anyone should EVER be hungry when they are livin’ la vida low-carb. That’s one of the major benefits of this permanent healthy lifestyle change that helps people get on it and stay on it! It’s worked for me for over four years and counting. Have you experienced hunger at some point on your low-carb lifestyle and figured out ways to avoid it? Please feel free to share your insights and wisdom with us in the show notes section at TheLivinLowCarbShow.com. When people who are on low-carb tell me they’re hungry, my response to them is, “Then go eat something!” Just make it high-fat, low-carb, of course!
That’s all the time we have for Episode 104 of “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show with Jimmy Moore.” It’s a pleasure reading your feedback, so don’t be a stranger and share what’s on your mind. Tune in on Monday to see who the winner of those free chocolate bars will be. Who knows, it could be YOU! THANK YOU for listening and until next time keep on livin’ la vida low-carb!
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Hi Jimmy,
You are amazing always giving insightful and helpful blogs, and posts. Your committment to the low carb community is much appreciated by so many of us at low carb discussion, as well as other places. Jodi and I have added your Youtube videos to our Biggest Loser Challenge Million Pound Matchup Site. We have entered the challenge, and are making lots of knew friends, and introducing some of them to the LivinLaVida way of Life. My best to you and Christine and you continue to rally the discussion of Low Carbing.
I was so guilty of trying to do lc with lf at first. Then I went out and bought DANDER and I realized low fat would not work with low carb. It is so counter intuitive to those of us who have bought into the fat is bad mantra to break free from it. But I definitely find I am much happier eating fat and have been much more successful at making this a way of life rather than a temporary fix.
THANKS Shari! I saw your BL Challenge page and will be blogging about it soon. It’s been VERY busy lately, but I LOVE IT!!! Helping people makes this job totally worth it!
Jenny, you are exactly right. Fat becomes your fuel when you reduce carbs. So if you restrict both fat and carbohydrates, then you run into the problems that are associated with dangerous low-calorie diets like Kimkins. EAT YOUR FAT and you’ll never have to worry about hunger or your health.
Jimmy,
I don’t know how you keep up to all you are doing to help the rest of us!!! Either you are all over the Internet, or I am just clicking the correct buttons. The timing has been perfect because my questions have been answered before I even type them.
Today is the 4the day of the “rest of my life”. I’ve not been hungry once. I’m still a bit short on the water, but keeping on it.
Here’s a quick cure for chocolate craving if you don’t have access to ChocoPerfection:
Soften 2 oz cream cheese in microwave.
Add 2 T. cocoa and 1 T. Splenda
Beat in an egg and 1 tsp of vanilla.
Put bowl right in microwave for 1min 23 seconds (not sure why that works; it’s my favorite cooking time….123!)
After cooling a bit, you can top with whipped cream/spl.
Be sure to count sweetener as part of days limit.
I am in love with this but during induction, using only once. I think I’m legal but refuse to mess up this time.
Hey, Jimmy and Christine, I love you guys,
Fellow Christian LC for life.
Sharon
We love you, too, Sharon! KEEP AT IT!!! Love that recipe.
There is almost NO fat in her meal plan. That can’t even taste good!
When I first started Atkins, I would experience hunger within an hour after eating my dinner (regardless of how much I ate) and found that it was disguised cravings for something sweet. I upped the fat content of the diet at every meal and volume of salad/veggies and found that kept me from experiencing the cravings. It helped greatly. Kept the cravings at bay and me full till breakfast. The more fat I eat, the easier it is to satisfy my hunger. Whenever I feel hungrey shortly after a meal, I realize I haven’t had enough fat in the meal itself.
Really good show, Jimmy! Fat is so key-it was for me the missing element. I was really cutting the fat too low. When I decided to use full fat versions of mayo, cream, and other dairy products, I was no longer hungry. My husband also loves eating this way!
Thanks, Jimmy.
I am so glad I found your site - it has been so encouraging and helpful to me on this journey! Thank you for being such a blessing!
YO YO -Jimmy,
LOL… How are you!?
Great show!
Even though I am following the No Sugar No Flour diet I am finding your information very useful… I began listening to your podcast & it clicked it was time for a small snack!..
Your show was very informative.. giving that little shred of advice… FAT is key… makes all the difference for all those who are starving themselves!
And you are right.. it does bare repeating itself.. especially for new listeners like myself….
It is great hearing what works.. what don’t…
Thanks for sharing your LO-CARB life w/all of us!
HUGS, Cathleen
HI JIMMY!! I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS, IM HOOKED FOR SURE! ITS REALLY HARD NOT HAVING ANYONE AROUND ME DOING LOW CARB SINCE ITS A HUGE PART OF MY LIFE, HAVING DONE THIS FOR OVER THREE YEARS NOW, YOU KINDA WANNNA TELL EVERYONE YOU SEE ALL ABOUT IT, BUT IM MARRIED TO ONE OF THOSE FREAKS OF NATURE WHO HAS TO EAT LIKE A MANIAC TO GAIN WEIGHT!! (EYE ROLL) AND MY TWO YEAR OLD JUST DOESNT SEEM INTERESTED……… YET. LOL JUST KNOW THAT YOURE MUCH MUCH NEEDED AND APPRECIATED! SINCEREST THANKS ~EMILY
You know, Emily, nobody who is Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb needs to feel alone! Especially since Jimmy started the low-carb forums at LowCarbDiscussion.com!
Thanks for listening and being part of the fun and support here!
Great point about the fat, Jeri! That’s what I tell people who crave sweets/carbs is to EAT MORE FAT and the feeling goes away. NEVER hungry either!
It seems counterproductive, Kay, based on all that we’ve been told about eating healthy, but fat is an important part of that.
Amy welcome and thanks for being here. Stick around a while!
You’re gonna get there, Cathleen, so keep on listening. YO!
Emily, I can relate–my wife Christine can get away with MANY more carbs than I can eat. Kinda makes ya sick, doesn’t it? LOL!
THANKS for sharing about my discussion forum, Kevin. It really is full of some of the most loving and caring people in the whole world. Check it out for LOTS of low-carb encouragement.
Thanks, Jimmy and all commenters!
This was helpful advice.
It’s so easy to only eat small amounts of fat, because that’s all I’ve ever allowed myself to eat in the past.
But, in truth, fat seems to be a healthy macronutrient - almost a food group of it’s own!
I also happen to have protein-sensetive hypoglycemia (I’m pretty much hypo all the time anyway) and when I have too much protein or have it when I’ve gotten too hungry, my blood sugar hits rock bottom.
Has anyone else experienced this?
I have experimented with fats and vinegar, and they have both helped, but it’s been a balancing act.
I am also in the midst of re-introducing carbs, and it can be confusing.
Jimmy, I am so glad your podcast is back on. Great as usual. And so glad your friend Kevin is well, and back in the saddle getting you on the air. Just today I got a little hungry between breakfast & lunch and went to the hospital cafeteria for some bacon. I felt the hunger go right away.
Cathy
Here’s a recipe for an extremely filling snack.
1/2 sqaure unsweetened chocolate (about 1 TBS)
(found in baking section of stores)
1 TBS peanut butter
2 TBS heavy cream
Nuke all this in the microwave until it melts (about 1 minute), add a packet of splenda and mix well.
I find the cocoa butter in the chocolate to be very filling, and peanuts are a natural hunger-reducer.
Hi, Jimmy!
What other low carb fats do you use besides olive oil, heavy cream and cheese? Does peanut butter count? I have a hard time eating peanut butter in moderation! And how about nuts? It’s hard for me to think that eating a ton of nuts will help me lose weight, but they do make me feel fuller! I just wonder if their carb count is too high for a LC diet.
Howdy Jimmy,
Great podcast! I know from experience that everything you are saying here is true. I, like a lot of people started my diet the first of the year. I have diabetes, self inflicted by consuming High Fructose Corn Syrup for years in the form of sweet drinks. Six years ago I lost 60 pounds on the Atkins diet. I have gained half that back. I have been watching my carbs but cheating. I have found that I can’t cheat. A little cheating goes a long way. So I have been on Induction for a little over two weeks. A big part of my diet is fat. I believe and know from my own experience and blood numbers that to eat fat is good for you! I am not and have not been hunger. At times I even have to force myself to eat because I have no appetite. I love fat and eat it and am becoming healthier because of it. Sense eating fat I have been able to stop all my medications for: diabetes ( my blood glucose on Atkins is rediculouslly low), blood pressure and cholesterol! My health numbers are better than ever. The money I save from not having to buy meds I use to by luxery food items like smoked salmon. Thanks and keep up the good work!
Jimmy,
Found your blog today on a whim…always looking for low carb news and info and boy does your blog fit the bill! Thanks so much!
Keep tweaking Tara and I LOVE the way you describe fat. PERFECT!!! Your recipe looks yummy, but be careful of regular peanut butter. It contains LOTS of sugar, so choose lower-sugar/carb versions like Naturally More.
Happy to be back, Cathy, and giving you some advice to help you right away.
Excellent questions, Taiwan girl. GREAT sources of dietary fat in addition to what you mentioned are coconut oil, macadamia nuts, almonds, butter, avocado oil, full-fat meats, and so much more! Don’t be afraid to increase your fat intake if your carbohydrates are reduced.
You got it, Carl! When you eat healthy like on low-carb, everything gets back to normal again. WAY TO GO!!!
WELCOME, Steph! Keep reading and listening.
Fat is my constant problem too.
I keep forgetting about adding my spoonful of coconut oil during the day to my meals but when I do, it sure helps.
I am slowly getting back to low carb and feeling better for doing it.
Another great one Jimmy,
HUNGRY!…isn’t that the slogan of Hungry Man’s Hi-Carb, Highly Processed Food Products?
Hunger? Speaking of hunger…its almost lunch!
I eat sunflower seeds to stave off hunger.
Great show again Jimmy!
Ab
Hi Jimmy
I missed reading this yesterday but got caught up today. Really helpful information! I copied down the high-fat snack ideas, too, from you readers. South Beach, I find is a little afraid of fat, so I’ll keep your advice in mind when the “hungrys” come on. I still have 10 more pounds to lose and it seems to be the hardest. Also, I have to get Kimmer’s diet out of my brain and not be afraid of the calories in fat.
Hey Wanda, take your coconut oil with your vitamins in the morning and you’ll NEVER forget.
Eating a high-fat, low-carb snack is a great way to ward off the munchies and hunger pangs.
Yep, SB sound poo-poo fat somewhat, Jane, but it can help your weight loss as counterintuitive as that sounds. KK is a thing of the past, so move onward and upward in your healthy low-carb lifestyle.
Jimmy - thanks so much for doing what you do! A few minutes with your blog everyday and then your podcast while I’m on the treadmill puts my mind in the right place. I”ve been LivingLaVidaLowCarb since August 4, 1999, of course, we didn’t call it that back then. I never let myself be hungry. I lost my weight in a few months time and have maintained it (give or take 10 lbs.) ever since. It’s not willpower for me….. basically…….. it’s just plain vanity. I want to look good and when I live this way…..then I look seriously good! I’m never changing my healthy lifestyle! Also, thank you commenters for the Chocolate Recipes…..I need this in my life!
Jimmy,
Happy Saturday Morning! I just had to stop by and say a big THANK YOU for this informational, uplifting site. I have recently started the Lo-Carb way of life, again. I did it a year ago, but after stopping it, gained alot back.
This time, I am going at it with a different outlook. It’s going to be a “way of my life” forever……not a “diet”. I really feel this will change the whole approach.
You podcasts are sure going to be a big part and again, thank you!!
Dawn/Ohio
You are an inspiration to us all, Debi! WOW, you’re coming up on TEN YEARS of eating this way. WOO HOO!
Dawn, I’m proud of you and wish you NOTHING but GREAT success. You DESERVE it!!!
“I’m Hungry,” is definitely a phrase I don’t use anymore. There are so many different foods you can eat on a low-carb diet that is seems impossible to ever feel hunger. I use lots of low-carb products from netrition.com and they taste EXCELENT! I also feel much better when I drink plenty of water. So far I have lost 16 pounds in about 2 months and I feel wonderful.
Jimmy
Since re-starting LC 3 weeks ago (down 9 lbs), I’m always searching for help on the ‘net. Found your site recently and love it! You and Christine are such a source of information and inspiration for me. Thanks!
It’s tragic that our brainwashing against dietary fat has been so deep and so effective. It seems “counterintuitive” that plenty of fat in the diet is good for you. Yet that’s a basic intuition, not just for robust health, but for survival itself. Throughout the history of the human race, we have understood this. It’s shocking and dismaying that, over just a few decades, we’ve been convinced otherwise. And on the skimpiest, most questionable and unreproduceable scientific grounds.
The unfortunate hungry dieter was most likely suffering from a formerly well-known condition called “rabbit starvation.” The name was given by forest peoples who had nothing to eat but rabbits during parts of the year. Rabbits are extremely lean, so for stretches the diets would consist of virtually nothing but protein. Even though there were plenty of rabbits to eat, ravenous hunger, sickness and starvation — death, if it kept up long enough — would result.
Wikipedia has an entry on the topic. There’s also an extremely interesting post about it, relating it to Kimkins and to the findings of Steffanson during his Arctic explorations and life with the Inuit here:
http://pinchof.blogspot.com/2007/09/low-fat-side-of-vlc-dieting-rabbit.html
If you are “hungry” on low-carb, then I contend you aren’t following it right. You are so right Erin, there are WAY too many great-tasting low-carb foods to suffer with hunger when you are livin’ la vida low-carb!
WAY TO GO, Debbie! Keep up the AWESOME work on your weight loss!
LowCarbarama, the fat phobia is a great mountain we must climb before the message will move forward. But it’s gonna get there.
Thanks for the great show Jimmy. Many years ago I put on over a stone in weight when I gave up smoking - never took at up again once I quit. However I had a hell of a job getting rid of the weight - I have got down to my goal so many times and then put it back on because I couldn’t starve forever - tried calorie control until I starved - tried low fat - starved on that and put on heaps of weight in the end - but over the years have whittled that away - I walk a lot - but still couldn’t get down to my goal - and keep it off.
Then at the beginning of the year when I was looking at yet another try at the low fat starvation thing a voice in my head said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same result” So I had a whole heap of diet mags that I had keep and every free minute I would go through them – thinking I must be missing something – not a word about low carb. Then I found my first breakthrough – eggs were OK to eat – I still had that old thing about only 2 a week. So I started eating eggs – no bread – no flour etc and I started to lose weight and I wasn’t going hungry. Mmmmmmmmm I thought what is this so I googled – eat fill you up and you can lose weight and I found Jimmy’s blog about eggs. I had heard about Atkins before but it had such bad press here – Australia I was convinced it was a sham. A few years back a government funded body the C.S.I.O.R. did a lot of research and published a book on low carb as the best way to lose weight – the press was terrible – still is – even the government stepped in to put it down. But I had reached the end of the line with starvation so I read Jimmy’s site and read the Atkins book the next week. The first week I nearly cried with joy – I wasn’t going to bed hungry – and after the first few days I started to feel great. It is so easy to follow – I can now go out with friends for a meal and order food instead of a side salad – I order a nice steak or pork chop with salad and eat all the fat – feel so full I wouldn’t even want desert. I am losing weight, feeling great and this is going to be for the rest of my life. Apart from the fact that the low fat rubbish didn’t work it was hard to go out for a meal – unless you order salad – and I have always loved my meat – fat and all – now I enjoy my salads with the low carb full oil mayo – or I make my own with olive oil – I just love olive oil – boy have I missed it all these years. And don’t even get me started about cheese – full cream cheese – oh boy !
PS I have been looking at all the low carb products you have over there - we only have a hand full here - hope we catch up one day - mailing cost would be prohibitive al the way here for me.
THANK YOU JIMMY FOR YOU SITE – THANK YOU FOR SPREADING THE WORD – GOD BLESS YOU MATE - KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK - YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION
Cheers from Down Under
God bless you too Helena and CONGRATULATIONS on your amazing health improvements. AWESOME JOB!!!