344: Jon & Cathy Payne Share ‘Our Natural Life’

Written on March 29, 2010

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Hello and welcome back to The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show with Jimmy Moore!

Today’s episode is in two sections: The primary interview today is a fantastic one featuring real food and natural health podcasters Jon and Cathy Payne of the Our Natural Life show talking about the influence of The Weston A. Price Foundation, local agriculture, the benefits of raw milk and becoming “Agripreneurs.” But first up, Jimmy has a brief 6-minute interview with Dr. Richard Bernstein where they dissect a study that led “Heart Scan Blog” author Dr. William Davis to declare that butter has a “unique ability to trigger an insulin response.” Listen in for the details of The Great Butter Battle of 2010 and Dr. Berstein’s unique response as well as Jimmy’s upcoming blog post on this subject later this week!

LINKS MENTIONED IN EPISODE 344
- Dr. William Davis’ “Butter and Insulin” blog post
- Dr. Richard Berstein bio
- RELATED PODCAST: Best of 2009 ‘Encore Week’: Dr. Richard Bernstein (Episode 319)
- Jon & Cathy Payne bio
- OurNaturalLife.com
- Subscribe to the Our Natural Life podcast on iTunes
- Our Natural Life podcast Facebook page
- Our Natural Life on Twitter

Shellie

This butter thing was interesting, I am so glad you got some advise as to what this study really meant. Thanks! I also wonder since he mentioned that the study was based on carbs 100g (or more) and that his patience use 1/3 of the 100g study (30g, which is low in maintenance), what do you think the effect on butter is to those of us who love butter, cooking with it, and eat more than 30g of carbs but less than 100g’s? I hope my question is making sense. I found the entire subject interesting. Again, thanks for looking in deeper into this issue!!! There is always something, some contrversy it seems that needs to be looked into deeper.

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Tim

Jimmy, you’re buying milk? I thought you were only eating eggs. Are you cheating?

Hyperlipid has responded to Davis’ claim:
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2010/03/butter-insulin-and-dr-davis.html

http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog Jimmy Moore

THANKS Tim! This interview was recorded MONTHS ago, so I wasn’t yet on my eggfest. LOL! But thanks for keeping an eye on me. As for Peter’s column responding to Dr. Davis, I’m aware of it and will include it in my upcoming blog post.

http://www.OurNaturalLife.com/blog/ Cathy Payne

Thanks, Jimmy, for a great interview! You made it painless. I hope we can get together sometime once we are closer to South Carolina. We appreciate your support and look forward to finding time to return the favor for our show.

http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog Jimmy Moore

You guys did a fantastic job, Cathy, and I’d LOVE to be on your show, too! We’ll DEFINITELY have to get together whenever you’re driving on the I-26 or I-85 corridor in Upstate South Carolina!

http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog Jimmy Moore

Tim, I recorded this podcast interview several months ago. Cathy, it was my pleasure to interview you guys.

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raven

Regarding the butter/blood sugar connection, the study specifically shows higher serum insulin levels and a lot of other troubling differences in subjects eating the mix including butter than in the ones eating the SAME mix including monounsaturated fat.

“High-fat meals increased the postprandial concentrations of insulin, triglycerides, and FFAs, and they enhanced postprandial β cell function while decreasing insulin sensitivity (as assessed with different model-based and empirical indexes: insulinogenic index, insulinogenic index/homeostasis model assessment of insulin resistance, area under the curve for insulin/area under the curve for glucose, homeostasis model assessment for β cell function, and GTTTM-determined insulin sensitivity, oral glucose insulin sensitivity, and the postprandial Belfiore indexes for glycemia and blood FFAs. These effects were significantly ameliorated, in a direct linear relation, when MUFAs were substituted for SFAs.”

That’s disturbing, and I was disappointed that Dr. Bernstein didn’t address this.

This explains it in a more comforting way: http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2010/03/butter-insulin-and-dr-davis.html

The reason appears to be that the monounsaturated fats decrease post prandial lipids by storing them as fat!!! That’s not a significant improvement for most of us.

If you could get someone scientific to delve into the Spanish study discussed in that article, it would be very interesting.

There’s more to this whole thing than just saying if we don’t eat the carbs along with the fat it doesn’t apply to us. Many low carbers are eating enough carbs that this could be an issue, I think.

Thanks for the good information, and I hope you don’t let this important issue drop yet.

http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog Jimmy Moore

Raven, that blog post I’m going to publish this week will have all kinds of people in the world of health and nutrition quoted, so you won’t be disappointed. This issue is certainly not being dropped.

karen

fabulous interview w/ Dr. Bernstein.He’s a genius at making the “butter raising insulin levels” question, understandable.
Thanks tons.
Can’t wait to listen to more of his work.
Hugs…
Karen in Merida, Yucatan, Mex

THANKS for listening, Karen!

–Jimmy
http://www.TheBunnellFarm.com Tom Bunnell

It’s entirely possible that our hormones “memory” “senses” dairy in our bodies system and phantomly thinks “lactose” and responds accordingly.
Carl

Great Interview Jimmy,

It is great to hear so much TRUTH in this interview. Most of what was said is exactly what I am always telling people. They never seem to believe me but I keep saying to shop the parameter of the store and to eat fat. The response is always the same, they think I’m nuts! As you know the brainwashing is so deep and prevalent it’s almost impossible overcome. Thank God people like you are out there fighting the good fight and are spreading the truth.

Years ago I heard on NPR a diet study result for 3 different diets. Amazingly, to them, the Atkins diet showed the best overall results. One reporter say to the other Cholesterol went up right? The other reporter says no, it actually went down. “So does this mean you can eat fat?” the answer was, Oh Noooooooo!!! We would never say that! These people were not reporting the news, they were giving their brain washed opinion. This is what most all news people do. Of course the study was saying exactly that; it is OK to eat FAT.

I always say, “Eat Fat its Good For You”.

Fat is arguably the single healthiest thing you could ever feed your body–BAR NONE!

–Jimmy
Peter Silverman

Dr. Bernstein said something in this interview which, if he’s right, explains why diets that say you can eat all you want as long as you do such and such (exercise enough, restrict fat or carbs, etc.) often work well for awhile then after awhile don’t work any more.

He said that if you distend your stomach that changes your whole metabolic picture, and you get “Chinese food syndrome” which I assume means your insulin jerks around and you get hungry more easily than most people. So maybe the eat all you want parts of these diets distend the stomach and provoke high insulin responses even if you’re not eating, say, carbs.