336: Dr. Bill Gavin Says ‘No White At Night’

Written on February 22, 2010

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Hello and welcome back to The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show With Jimmy Moore!

Today, again we present two interviews. First we have another brief chat with Rich Vos, nutritional coach and show sponsor (Thanks, Rich!!), followed by our guest, Dr. Bill Gavin.

Dr. Gavin is a cardiologist and the author of the book No White At Night in which he puts forth a simple, three-rule diet stating:

Three meals a day
Protein at each meal
No “white food” at dinner

Dr. Gavin is open to carbohydrate control (in fact he says he put his diabetic mother on a “No white food at all” diet), but is convinced that fats hurt efforts to lose weight and he takes a “Caloric-Theory Truther” stance. He also tells Jimmy that his excellent bloodwork despite his “unhealthy” fat intake suggests that Jimmy has great genes! Listen in for Jimmy’s family history of heart disease!

LINKS MENTIONED IN EPISODE 336
- Visit our sponsor: Nutritional Counseling Results Typical with Rich Vos
- Dr. Bill Gavin bio
- No White At Night book
- Official Web Site For No White At Night
- A special sneak peek look inside the book

Shareef

Jimmy….., first thing, get this guy a copy of GCBC! Then second thing stop interviewing people who know LESS about nutrition than you. He should be pointing his questions at you not the other way around. Ha! I just got to the point of the interview where you mention the book! Yeah I bet he hasn’t read it! “Fat is bad? one egg yolk?” NEXT! It seems like we was a nice guy, but that provided little in the way of education for your regular listeners.
http://www.livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog Jimmy Moore

LOL, Shareef! He’s certainly a bit behind the current times of low-carb, isn’t he? Nevertheless, I’m happy he was able to help his mom. And I do think there is redeeming value in every podcast…some more than others. THANK YOU for listening!
FrankG

Hey Jimmy,
thanks as ever… I agree that every podcast has value! Even when — as so well put above — YOU clearly do know more about nutrition than a professional who really ought to know better. At least his message is part-way low-carb.
The telling question was about GCBC… I’d like to hope he does read it but I must admit I have my doubts after the way he reacted. Heck… you don’t have to agree with everything Gary Taubes writes but at least hear him out …not to mention the hundreds of real researchers he cites!

As for saturated fat I’m sure you saw this but just in case:

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajcn.2009.27725v1

Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease. Am J Clin Nutr (January 13, 2010). doi:10.3945/ajcn.2009.27725

“Conclusions: A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.”

THANKS so much, Frank! Do you mean this study?

–Jimmy
Pharm

Jimmy,

I too must be some genetic anomoly that thrives on animal products and saturated fats. In fact, all my low carb friends must be! I hope that he links to your site so people interested in his book will find your wealth of great info.

Pharm

THANK YOU Pharm!

–Jimmy
michael

Jimmy, you said there is “redeeming value in every podcast”. I’m not sure about that. As to your disclosures, since Gavin has no products to give you, it has to be cash? How much would you charge someone like Gavin who is definitely NOT low carb?

Why wouldn’t there be anything you could learn from every podcast, Michael? It’s close-minded to think that you can learn NOTHING from someone who shares.

Incidentally, I don’t charge to come on my podcast show. However, there are sponsorship relationships that I have with the companies I share about on the podcast who help make it possible. Thus the disclosure. Today’s show was underwritten by Results Typical.

–Jimmy
Melisa Zachrich

Jimmy,
I think the value in some of these is that you will cause a few of your guests to question their own thinking and reevaluate the data for themselves. If this interview causes him to question his thinking on saturated fat, causes him to read GCBC…then we’ve got one more convert with boots on the street! That is how change happens. We have all arrived at that point ourselves where we’ve stopped and thought, “Wow, is it possible everything I think I know is complete bs?”

Melisa, that’s exactly right! Even these people who don’t totally have it yet are able to be influenced with the right information and hopefully adjust their message. Dr. William Davis is a prime example as is Dr. Loren Cordain. Both have adjusted their position on saturated fat ever since they’ve been on my show. That’s a high honor knowing I played even a small role in helping experts like that change their mode of thinking.

–Jimmy
Karen Ferguson

Well, Sharif spoke for me….I heard you suggest G. Taubes book. I’m writing curriculum for it right now. I haven’t a clue where I’m going to teach it yet, but I’ll find some format!! I have faith and a duty to get the word out as well. Duped. I hate being duped.

You handled things well and tactfully….
My only suggestion to him is that “it’s not a program that one messes around with and try to fit it into your life.” It’s lifestyle that is already proven to work and one simply takes it as is!!!

I was always trying to do something strange to what was given to me…but then what was given to me was the dogma of low fat and “moderation.” I thought I was doing something WRONG. That I was WRONG and the reality was “NO, I’m not wrong.” Sugar is wrong and Flour, that turns into sugar, is WRONG.
And, trying to be a vegetarian, vegan and raw vegan was WRONG for me.

I’ve never been more sane, more focused or more happy. I’m just glad that I found your site and that your support is so profound, constant and dead-on straight and honest.

Hugs….Your #1 Fan,
Karen in California

THANK YOU so much, Karen! Keep fighting the good fight.

–Jimmy
thania

I think is great to have interview with all type of profesionals on nutrition & health. It is a plesant way to get information on new publications on these topics.

Thanks Jimmy
http://astrogirl.com Nicole

While I could sense Jimmy biting his tongue not to say anything when Dr. Gavin was talking about how saturated fat was bad for you, I still think the show had value.

You should interview Byron Richards, author of The Leptin Diet. It’s a darned interesting book.

He advocates “lower” carbs for those trying to lose weight, but there are no menu plans or foods lists in the books at all. It’s all about inflammation, hormones and meal timings, so I think it would fit in with your show pretty well.

THANKS Nicole! So many people to interview, so little time.

–Jimmy
JayCee

haha.. Its always funny to hear ‘health experts’ playing the ‘genes’ card when their a-priori-reasoning and dietary ignorance shines through. Jimmy on the other hand had is the perfect example of somebody who’s ‘genes’ should NOT allow for low plaque in the arteries- , low triglyceride- and high HDL levels.. and yet it ‘mysteriously’ does

I think that surprised her, JayCee! Fun reaction, huh?

–Jimmy
Piper

Wow, I’m glad to see I’m not the only one amused by the “you must have good genes, Jimmy” comment. I really lol’d. Sure, good “genes” have everything to do with it. A few years ago, as a vegan, I had a cholesterol of 260, Triglycerides over 450, high blood pressure, the works. I was only 25 at the time too. Now I’m paleo, my cholesterol is 200, triglycerides are <100 and my blood pressure actually went so low I had to be on salt therapy for a few weeks since I couldn't get above 70/38.

I'm sure I've just got good "genes" too. Maybe it's a codeword for "knowledge."
Kathy

I’ve never heard of paleo before, but i think it sounds pretty interesting. I am definitely going to check it out. I’ve tried to kick the sugar habit for some time now without any success, hopefully going paleo can help.