316: Professor Brian Peskin Tells ‘The Hidden Story of Cancer’

no they are not…supermarket brands are heated so they will last longer on the shelf of the store..organic oils are cold pressed without any heat and will ruin if left out…not sure I follow your line of reasoning…get and read his books and read

Sid Aust, what a difference one comment makes! I really appreciate your calm, collected and respectful response. It trully makes a difference. We might diagree on few things, but we do agree on the general concept of nutrition. I do sincerely appologize for saying you are full of fecal matter. i might have not explained myself correctly but I meant more metaphorically than anything else and I aimed more at your conviction rather than personality or substance. Again, i hope no hard feelings. I am an emotional person and the most annoying trait of personality I cant accept in people is intolerance. Be it intolerance to their beliefs or anything else. Thats why the whole man history is full of blood.

Sid, I am not saying Brian is a charlatan. I am not saying Brian is wrong. I am not saying Brian is not credible. I am saying I dont know! But it is my nature to question everything and everyone! There is absolutely no harm in experimenting on Brian’s healing protocol. Having 2.5 to 1 of cold pressed organic sunflower oil mixed with organic flax oil is not a bit dangerous at least for a long time no matter if you believe him or not. off course some people do stupid things and fry in flax oil which completely defyes the purpose and makes flax oil dangerous. Sid I am happy that you are so enthusiastic about Brian and his approach but you cant claim he is right beyound reasonable doubt. We can inteligently discuss this subject matter without resorting to name calling and intolerance. And in the spirit of christmas I invite you with open arms.

Ok, now to few points you made. You are incorrect in claiming that none of the current medical protocol is working when it comes to treating and curing cancer. As bad as chemotherapy drug infusion is it doesn help people. I do agree with you that side effects from chemotherapy might be detrimental but it is benefit vs the risks in medicine. And in the past 10 years oncology and pharmaceutical companies leaped much further in improving chemotherapy and making it much more tolerant than before. I am not defending drug industry here but it is too naive to vilify all of them either. Not all drug companies are evil. Yes, the bottom line is making money but money money is bottom line for all. Brian too made a lot of money selling his products, otherwise he wouldnt settle wityh state of Texas in the amount close to a million dollars. Thats his God given right to make money and sell his products. But saying that all drug companies are driven by pure profits and nothing else is not 100 percent true. There are true scientist out there who work for drug companies that are decent and wonderful people who pursue a dream to one day heal people. i work in world’s renowned medical instituition called Suny Downstate Medical Center. We have two Nobel Prize Winners here. We did creat first ever MRI machine and first ever portable dialysis center. Say what you may it counts for something. Dr Friedman, who I happen to know personally discoverd world’s first portable dialysis in 1960 and saved millions of life. He is in his 70′s and he still works hard hours trying to save people lives. And he does work for pharmaceutical company too creeating new agents for kidney treatment. If you want I can personally invite you or anyone else out there who happen to be in NYC for a personal tour of Suny and Dr Friedman lab where you will discover amazing man working his magic in savings millions of other people. When it comes to cancer not a lot of progress has been made but to say none was made is simply not true. it is not my opinion it is fact! People who are diagnosed with cancer live longer lives and yes better quality too despite what others might claim. its a fact. Even as recent as 5 years ago having been diagnsoed with stage 4 cancer was automatic death sentence. Now some even are expected to live normal life with it. Yes, minority still, but progress has been made. There are cancers that are still automatic death sentense such as pancreatic( tail protion especially) and lung and brain cancers. But even on that front there is progress. Sid with all due respect if a person is diagnosed with cancer the first line of defense is chemo, unfortunately in some cases and fortunately in others. omega 6 unadulterated will not heal stage 4 cancer. There are many people who declined chemo in favor of alternative medicine and lost their lives becuase of it. There is a time and purpose for everything. Yes alternative medicine is great but if you are shot or wounded with a sharp knife you wouldnt want to be treated with ginseng leaves. Some claim natural treatment is the way to go for everything and thats where I mostly disagree. Thats why millions of people died from simple infection as recent as 100 years ago before Penicilin was discoverd by those eveil pharma. And millions of people died from what is not existent any more before vaccination came along. Am I saying vacinations is great for everything, no. But saying vaccination is evil for everything is wrong too.

If Big Evil Pharma theory was true and if your theory of conspiracy was true what I am about to say wouldnt make sense. I was raised and grew up in Soviet Union. Soviet Union hated United States with passion. My mom was a pediatrician for more than 30 years. Doctors in Russia made less money that security guards and they still do. Pharmaceutical companies were government owned and were non-profit. drugs were free for all Soviet people.

Here is my punch line. So I just took all money profiting out of Soviet medical system and Big Pharma in Soviet Union. Do you know what was the standard protocol of treatment for cancer patients in Soviet Union? I will make it easy for all. No guess necessary. Yes, it was evil chemotherapy. We had wonderful, bright doctors and scientists in former Soviet Union who worked for almost free so money was never a motivating factor. And they did have access to many discoveries and theories, Sid, including what Brian discoved. And yet chemo was still the only way to go. I pray to great Lord that Brian is correct and it is as simple as omega 6 to omega 3 ratio( yes unadelterated organic cold pressed). But I doubt it is Sid. I tend to be a very spiritual person, Sid. If you study universe and its creation it is all balance not simplicity. And not the balance of essential omega oils but balance in general.

Everything counts. One of my favorite spiritula teachers La Tzy once said that the most important things in live are our mistakes. Sid, taking right proprotion of omega 6 to omega 3 wont heal or prevent cancer in the absense of other things being in balance. i am talking about life in general. A person is a very complicated machine and so is his or her health. Its about many factors and many choices. From lifestylte to diet to stress to sleep to relationships, everything counts! If a person is full of love striving for a righteous live he or she is half way of living cancer free in my humble opinion. The other half is still a mystery, may be its just Universe at work. Sid, I wish you nothing but happiness and Happy Holidays! And may you and Brian be correct in your choices. I am all for it. I will even try that myself in the spriti of being open-minded. i will buy high lignan organic cold presses flax oil and mix it with sunflower oil. It surely wont hurt! thanks!

A response to Vadim
Thank you very much for your great and sincere responce and it is much appreciated. I too sometimes get carried away with what I believe and I suspect you do also. You may work at a great hospital and patienet receive great care there, but it is not that way all over the country, some hospitals one receive poor care. And in the spirit of the holidays please except my humble apology also and I reach my hand to yours in this computer exchange and say thank for your understanding and great post.
One more thing please purchase the book The Hidden Story of Cance and read with an open mind and let your doctors that you know read it also.
Brian will be glad to answer anyone email with any question you may have even about the lawsuit he had with Texas..It was more about nothing in my opinion…Have a nice holiday season with lots cheer, good friends….Again…please accept my humble apology ….you sound really dedicated to what you do and am sure an asset to the employer..
Best to you
Sid Aust

Lol, thanks! I love to make up, isnt it great. And i feel healther doing it. I dispise fighting even though I love arguing. I think there is a big difference! I suggested to Jimmy Moore to have two guests who disagree with each other have an open forum on his podcast show to make it exciting and intrersting. In arguments the truth is born. If it wasnt for opposite views we would still live in barbaric society. Democracy is a great teacher of that. it allows for freedom of speech and freedom of speech allows for difference of opinion which leads to progress. i would love to have Dr Eades for example debate Brian. Dr Eades is very collected, respectful, tactful and intelligent man who loves science and knows a thing or two about it. Hope Jimmu can pull it off one day. And look, we still all agree on low carb lifestyle arent we? I think it counts for more than something. Again, have a wonderful holidays and happy and healthy New Year! Thanks for your comments. I truly appreciate it. You not only created what might be one of the most commented podcast but stimultate people to think, read, research and question. And that is always a good thing!

Sorry, but it looks like the material I quoted from Peskin’s book did not show up in my last post. Looks like a formatting issue . . . I made the mistake of using these characters: <<>>, which created html/formatting errors.

I don’t want to retype it all for fear of clogging up this thread, but I can do that if you want.

Great debate! I have a couple of comments as well.
I have of course listened to Jimmy Moore’s excellent interview with Brian Peskin and then went to Brians’s website for more info. There I came upon several other interviews of which I liked the following the best because he greatly expanded on his theory and talked about related subjects such as saturated fat etc.
http://www.brianpeskin.com/video-audio.html
(it is the third one down titled “Hidden Story of Cancer Interview” (the link comes from his website under ‘Audio/Video’ on the left. The others are good as well)

So…it seems to me that the omega 6 issue – as Billy just said – comes down to the fact that our modern day omega 6 is mostly damaged in processing (and most Americans eat ‘processed’ food) and therefore the omega 6 and 3 ratio is out of balance. Adding more omega 3′s makes matters worse.

In thinking about this I was wondering: what’s wrong with just eating a small handful of raw sunflower seeds every day? Mr. Peskin does recommend sunflower oil – well I’ve always heard that eating the ‘whole’ is better than its’ part’.

Any thoughts?

I have summarized the part of Brian Peskin’s paper on “PEOs” http://www.brianpeskin.com/reports/scientificPEOcalculation.pdf which relates directly to our discussion. Note that Peskin uses the terms omega 3 and 6 parent EFAs or PEOs to refer to the EFAs linoenic acid (ALA) and linoleic acid (LA), respectively.

Based on an analysis of the ratios of LA to ALA in human tissues and the mass of each tissue mass (footnote on pg. 28 for sources), Peskin concludes that “the majority of
cells in the body require a ratio of at least 6.5 to 1 [of LA to ALA].”

Typical western diets contain an estimated omega 6 to 3 ratio of about 12 to 1. If the damaged LA, i.e. LA which has been “hydrogenated into transfats or adulterated with chemicals and preservatives” and thus “ruined as to their oxygen transfer ability,” is not counted and at least 50% of it is assumed to be damaged, western diets are providing at best a ratio of 6 to 1 (LA to ALA). Supplemental EFAs–at least 1 to 1 and at most 2.5 to 1 (LA to ALA)–are therefore recommended to make up the difference and account for certain other factors, particularly the intake of the damaged LA.

“You may be wondering why the animal protein that we consume from beef, other red meats, poultry, eggs, pork and fish doesn’t give us enough of the required [LA]?” The reason is basically that the sensitive LA and ALA are significantly destroyed by cooking.

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No idea what Peskin recommends in terms of absolute amounts of LA and ALA. Does anyone have this information?

In relative terms, it would seem that Peskin recommends a dietary intake of at least 6.5 to 1 (LA to ALA) assuming we are not consuming any processed Western foods with damaged oils.

Billy,

The only sources of omega 6 (LA) available to paleolithic humans and modern hunter-gatherer groups in the quantity/ratio Peskin seems to be recommending (via plant oils) are nuts and seeds, and these were not readily available for daily consumption.

You write (quoting from Peskin’s book):
Page 233: “The Eskimos eat mainly meat — NOT lots of fish — and virtually no fruits or vegetables, because of the long, harsh freezing conditions. Their diet consists mainly of caribou, bear, seals, whale and walrus blubber, and some fish. Lots of protein consumption along iwth consumption of unprocessed natural fats, high in EFAs, are the number one reason for the absence of cancer in their society.”

It is difficult to respond to this point without knowing exactly what Peskin means by “high in EFAs.” Based on his recommendation to supplement with (organic, cold-pressed, etc.) omega 6 plant oils, his definition of “high” in this context must be pretty high (much higher than the Eskimo diet could provide).

Furthermore, if Eskimos on this diet were cooking their food most of the time (and I believe they were?), then this quote would contradict the statement he made in his “PEO paper” (see above post) that cooking destroys too much of the sensitive EFAs LA and ALA in meats, etc. that supplementing with plant oils becomes necessary.

Boudi, thanks for your insights on this. Hmmmm, a Peskin vs. Carlson debate. Intriguing…

This comment is in response to Rosemarie and her question about eating small amounts of sunflower seeds vs supplementation.

Rosemarie, if we to are to accept Brian’s hypothesis that the correct ratio of omega 6 vs omega 3 essential fatty acid will stop cellular oxidation and therefore prevent cancer, we are looking at therapeutic levels vs preventive .

Lets assume for a second and say Brian is 100 % correct in his discoveries. Then you would need his recommended supplemetation doses vs eating sunflower seeds. Here is why. One tablespoon of pure, that is unadelterated, unprocessed organic sunflower seed oil contains approximately 7000 to 9000 mg of omega 6 essential oi if my memory serves me correctly. You would need to eat a ton of sunflower seeds every day to reach that level and unless you are a baseball player who plays extra innings every single day I dont think its possible.

But here is my other concern. even if we are to accept Brian’s theory or as he sais his connecting the dot work, it is very difficult to control the ratio and make sure you are getting pure, unadelterated oil. Sunflower oil once exposed to processing gets very rancid and therefore harms you more than heals you. There is nothing more detrimental to your tissues then rancid oxidative omega 6 oils. So how do companies get organic, unadelterated omega 6 without having it being exposed to oxygen to begin with? They still need to extract it out of the seeds. That would require an intricate process in doing so and expensive too. I am not saying its not possible, I am saying its hard. And even when you do buy it through retailers who claim its organic you dont know the process of extracting anyway. It could very well be organic and still harm you more than if you didnt take it. So there are more questions to be answered. I appreciate some people who can trust scinetist based on what they wrote. I am too old and cynical I guess to do that. I have been burned way too many times to learn my lesson. Some theories are fantastic in theory but once you start applying them, boom, no results. I am sure German Nobel Prize winner whos work Brian cites was genious enough to figure out correct omega 6 vs omega 3 ratio back in his days too. Its much easier to discover cancer is caused by cellular oxygen deprivation than finding ways to feed them oxygen and prevent oxydation. Anyone who is a car mecahnic knows pretty well what oxidation can do to a metal for example. But our bodies are intricate, complicated machinery. Many factors can strike it out of balance and cause oxidation not just the improper omega 6/omega 3 ratio. Again, in my own humble opinion.

I haven’t read his book, but the guy’s whole overall tone was a big turn-off. “I’m right, they’re wrong.” A little humility would go a long way. There are a huge number of folks investigating these matters, and they’re not all bought off by Big Pharma. Science is a consensus, and clearly we haven’t reached it on many issues. It’s clear he’s done a lot of reading. What else, isn’t particularly clear. He does feel he is qualified to denigrate about 99% of the published medical literature.

One red flag raised for me, a mere amateur in these matters, was when he relayed how his radiologist “just about fell off his chair” when his heart scan score was a zero.

In fact, a zero is an extremely common score. About 50% of people who take the test will score a zero. I’m older than Peskin, and I scored a zero on my scan. I understand Jimmy did as well. So implying that this is a rare event is bogus.

http://www.trackyourplaque.com/library/fl_02-007zeroscore.asp

I don’t know what else he is selling is bogus, but that anecdote should be retired immediately…it proves nothing.

I look forward to reading all the comments.

Robb Wolf Vs. Brian Peskin Debate would be epic. Epic in the sense that Wolf would crush him!!

Wow, some really great comments in this discussion. This is exactly the kind of dialogue I’ve been looking for, ever since I read Peskin’s books earlier this year.

I’m willing to look past Brian’s hubris, but geez, doesn’t he realize how much that hurts his cause? If he had a more easygoing manner, he’d be on Oprah, like, yesterday. But no matter — my hat is off to him, regardless.

His hard work and hard science deserve nothing less than a national discussion and rigorous testing.

He’s got a great quote in his “Hidden Story of Cancer” book from legendary physicist Max Planck: “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”

Regarding Brian Peskin’s trumpeted zero heart scan score, Roger said:

“In fact, a zero is an extremely common score. About 50% of people who take the test will score a zero. ”

Quoted from a super-credible source, Dr. William Davis.

Roger also said:

“I don’t know what else he is selling is bogus, but that anecdote should be retired immediately…it proves nothing.”

I have to VERY respectfully disagree, Roger . It does prove something. It proves that someone who trumpets as one of his key bonafides an engineer’s intelligence and attention to detail has a glaring omission in his marketing material that blows a hole in his credibility.

Sid’s response to Roger quotes extensively from Brian’s website about Brian’s heart scan score, and revealingly disconnects from Roger’s point and fails to address it. Lots of words, but serving only to obscure. The score of another guy with heart disease has nothing to do with how common and utterly banal a zero heart scan score is in a 52-year-old Brian Peskin. Same as my score. While I’m pleased to be at zero, it’s proves nothing about the benefits of my low carb diet, as the vast majority of my peers would be expected to also have a zero score (and we all know that most of them are NOT livinlavidalowcarb). The omission of this perspective, by an MIT engineer, and worse yet in marketing materials intended to sell his stuff, is a huge blow to credibility.

Ditto the Professor moniker that a previous commenter noted.

Still haven’t seen anyone tackle the hunter-gatherer aspect here either. Has nothing to do with processed oils. Those hominids didn’t have access to processed oils. They thrived with much lower 6 to 3 ratios than Brian advocates. Where’s the evidence that we need more? Address that directly.

I’m a little sheepish that I’m even continuing to be drawn into this, but I’ll invest 5 more minutes.

For Sid: My question was “where’s the evidence we need more?” [omega-6]

Your response talks about grass fed vs. corn fed animals and asks why ancient man would need processed oil. How is that remotely responsive to my question? Unfortunately, is emblematic of some of the stream-of-consciousness stuff on Brian’s web site. I can’t even tell where you’re going with that.

Regarding the heart scan score, yes, I do consider 50% of people having a zero heart scan score to be an extremely common finding. 50% of the people I see walking around in the world are female, so I consider them to be extremely common (in a good way). Brian needs to find something else to hang his hat on to prove the efficacy of his approach, as any MIT engineer should have realized.

Now, I’m sure he’s spent tons of time reading about omega-6, and I don’t want to denigrate that effort, but the lack of clarity in the way he attempts to connect the dots, along with the distractions of the marketing techniques, cause me to have to spend more time deciphering the message than I can justify, to say the least.

So I’ll bow out and give Sid the last word on this.

And that goes for anyone else whose questions were not answered by Brian. Please email Brian email on the the last post…This has been a great descussion as we can all learn from each other…
best,

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Regarding the CT scan, a 0 calcium score in a 52-year-old male is a very unusual result — not very common at all. We are in the midst of a new cardiovascular study using DPA technology and the results are extraordinary with people on my PEO protoco.l Personally, i rate decades lower than my chronological age. These results will lead to medical journal articles.

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Response to Steve L
I did not quote extensively from Braian’s Peskin’s web site I quoted from his book The Hidden Story Of Cancer, big difference.

Sid Aust wrote;

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Talking about who wants to make a million $$$
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Does that come with a Ronco turnip twaddler?

Maybe you don’t work for Brian Peskin… but you sure do read like spam. The question isn’t the money. It’s the value of the product, and whether or not the product is honestly represented.

cough.

My work is bulletproof, but as a human being I am flawed. So feel free to make attacks of a general and personal nature, other than SPECIFIC SCIENCE.

Yes, you are wrong; very wrong. For example, regarding DHA and EPA: how much of these substances are in the tissue? How much in the plasma, and how much of the parent ALA naturally converts into these derivatives? Compare this to what is in fish oil supplements and you will be horrified at their pharmacological overdoses.

You see, you know none of these answers or you would not have made the statements you did. You confuse”studies” with experiments….big mistake as this is why so often “findings” gets reversed with “new research.” Wrong conclusions are abundant because experiments only varying one variable were not done.

What seems “straightforward to you” and many others is anything but, and making wrong assumptions and drawing wrong conclusions is why biochemistry will NOT lead you to the solution.

The solutions to cancer and cardiovascular disease are in physiology — and that’s why the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons published my peer-reviewed article (there were multiple biochemists which i had to overturn their beliefs with strong science because they were in disbelief, too) which you will learn much from. The reviewers’ quote: “This is an important paper that should see the light of day in a medical journal. It follows a path via physiology rather than biochemistry, which is the path that we tend to follow…. we think physicians will be more interested in the physiological approach.”

Although, as you stated, comments by physicians (who are also biochemists) don’t count for much…

I have no more time defending anything, so if you want answers, you’ll need to spend your time reading my work instead of criticizing it without understanding nearly enough to be intelligent in the subject.

I find this is an unfortunate consequence of questioning the prevailing orthodoxy.

“Wow” was exactly my thought too. It’s a shame he spent so much time dodging questions – I was kinda hoping to be enlightened by his genius.

“Screw you guys, I’m going home.”
-Eric Cartman

Response to Kim…
Why in heaven sacks don’t you email Brian and ask him whatever question you want to ask personally from your email address? Is that so hard to understand. He is not going to come in here and spoon feed and baby people like you.

(“Wow” was exactly my thought too. It’s a shame he spent so much time dodging questions – I was kinda hoping to be enlightened by his genius.)

when you take the correct ratio of o mega 6 and 3 your consumption of sugar will go away because the parent essential oils will make the sugar cravings go away. thats the connection. you will starve the cancer if you have it. people say they love sweets not admitting its an addiction. i know ive been taking these oils for one year.

p.s. im not talking about brian peskin

maybe u should read instead of think. you can think what you want but to do something is different. oh and greg doesnt equal brian peskin. i dont have any degrees. if i can do it anyone can do it. as brian said earlier, he wont comment anymore. i remember in baseball when there was no pitch count. if you look at pictures of people 100 years ago there where no fat people. they had poor living conditions but no fat people. when i was in 5th grade in the 60s there was maybe one chubby kid in the class and everybody picked on that poor kid. look what you got today. now everybody envys thin people. if you want to think, think what kinds of food people ate 100years ago compared to today. i did read somewhere i dont remember but look at all the people who live to be 100. they all eat and smoke and drink. the one common denominator in each 100 year old is that they all had a stable blood sugar. there is the secret to longivety. i hope i spelled that word right. its a tough one a little too big of a word. i go by what i see and try.