Jimmy Moore’s Interview With Kimmer From Kimkins: Parts 3, 4 and 5 (Episode 72)
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Who is Kimmer/Kim Drake/Peggy Colson/Heidi Miller Kimberly Diaz?
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Are these Before-and-After, Before-and-Daughter or Before-and-Model?
You asked… So Jimmy does, too!
Welcome to “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show with Jimmy Moore!”
Well, to say that the past two weeks have been a little interesting for us here would certainly be an understatement! Our host Jimmy’s five-part conversation with Kimmer of the now-infamous Kimkins diet has been one of the most popular podcast topics we’ve ever covered here.
Quite literally, people on all sides of this issue have seen their arguments validated by what they have or have not heard from Kimmer so far in the interview. And this debate has spilled over heavily into the comments section of each of the last two shows.
Because of that, Jimmy has decided that we should accelerate the pace a bit and run the three remaining segments in Episode 72 today. In other words, we’re gonna get to the REALLY juicy parts now.
Jimmy asks Kimmer the really tough questions like:
Who are Heidi Diaz and Kim Drake?
Were there fake before and after success story photos?
Did she blow off meeting with Woman’s World cover girl Christin?
Also, see all the other assumed names Kimmer has written under.
These and so many more topics are addressed, so don’t miss a moment of this podcast show as we wrap up this controversial interview once and for all.
While Kimmer does answer all but one of the questions asked (and you’ll need to listen to know which one), we can’t promise what she says will change anyone’s mind. Nevertheless, this has been a fascinating look into the motivations and psyche of this rather polarizing figure in the world of livin’ la vida low-carb.
LINKS MENTIONED IN EPISODE 72
- Full listing of Kimmer interview questions
- Jimmy Moore’s Kimmer interview-Part 1
- Jimmy Moore’s Kimmer interview-Part 2
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OK…. This was very revealing, and I too suffer from a form of pressure induced anxiety, agoraphobia, very similar to Kimmer/Heidi…
Years ago I turned down a recording contract with a major record company because of this condition.
People I knew thought I was CRAZY… but I just couls not withstand the pressure of what was to come.
I still have bouts of this many years later.. I totally understand when Kimmer said she would rather die than to sit for a face to face interview… Doing that pressured interview would actually make you feel like you are gonna die!
Who knows why this condition exists, I hate that I am this way… but I am and I have been for over 30 years!
I have missed a few very good opportunities because of it… but it is OK .. I do things my way and that works for me.
I see she is doing exactly that!
People need to get over what they want from her, and respect her privacy.
Bravo! EXCELLENT interviewing.Enjoy your vacation.
Well, thank you, Linda, but to give credit where credit is due… The questions ultimately came from all of you in the low-carb community!
Excellent…..excellent
So she couldn’t interview via webcam if she couldn’t do it face to face? In this digital age, agoraphobia can be gotten around in this regard.
Wow Jimmy, awesome interview. Thank you for bringing Kimmer to all of us.
Great interview Kimmer and Jimmy!!! Thank you!!!
Jimmy - The complete interview provided a truckload of information about two awesome individuals, Kimmer and you. You both live by the “Golden Rule” that most people learned before they were six years old. The people with all the negative comments and probing personal questions need to give it up once and for all. Cheers to you both.
Carol
Very glad its over, though her answers were evasive at best and manipulative. If she is going to sell a “product” based on her success, she ought to first prove that she had that success. It’s very easy to create an online identity and then sell anything you can imagine. She even admits to using a myriad of “pen names” and refuses to reveal her real name. Bad form, really. Would you trust someone who won’t show themselves or give their real name yet send them money over the internet? Great! Send me some.
Those of you who are “completely satisfied” by this sham of an interview, and fully accept her agoraphobia cover up and other lies — I’ve got a bridge to sell you. It’s really cheap. Honest.
Hmmm, answers - what answers? //scratches head//
You can’t say you lost 200 lbs in 11 months following your plan and than not offer proof. Whoever this person is, she is hiding something behind all of these lies. I feel sorry for the people that are paying good hard earning money to a scam artist.
She has offered proof, she’s said that it’s her in the red dress. This may blow your mind, but many of us believe her.
Thank you Jimmy. She is right, no matter what there will always be doubters. That is just life. I think it is great that she is able to not let any of that get to her. That takes a person confident in who they are and what they are doing. Thank you Kimmer.
Now this has gone way beyond a few choice comments and actions, so I am compelled to post this again.
Nolo.com:
What is the definition of Slander?
A type of defamation. Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person’s reputation or standing in the community. Because slander is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. If the statement is made via broadcast media — for example, over the radio or on TV — it is considered libel, rather than slander, because the statement has the potential to reach a very wide audience.
What is the definition of Libel?
An untruthful statement about a person, published in writing or through broadcast media, that injures the person’s reputation or standing in the community. Because libel is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. Libel is a form of defamation , as is slander (an untruthful statement that is spoken, but not published in writing or broadcast through the media).
What is Defamation of Character:
A false statement that injures someone’s reputation and exposes him to public contempt, hatred, ridicule, or condemnation. If the false statement is published in print or through broadcast media, such as radio or TV, it is called libel. If it is only spoken, it is called slander.
John.. I could care less. Fraud is bad too, wouldn’t you say?
Discussing this on a web page is far from slander or libel or defamation of character. Besides, if she or anyone tried to sue any of “us” for these postings, well, she’d have to SHOW UP in court huh??
But… if she stresses over parent teacher conferences so badly, I’m sure she couldn’t handle a court hearing… :snicker:
John, its not libel if we are posting our speculations. We can certainly voice that we “think” she might be something. It’s the diference between “I think you are a jerk” and “You ARE a jerk”. Everything here is pure conjecture, for good or for ill. I personally think she is a fraud. Whether or not she really is will tell itself in the future.
The classmates.com photo is the lynchpin in exposing her real identity, and therefore exposing her has a liar.
While the classmates photo is clearly of the same person as the ‘before’ picture she’s used for many years on the LowCarbFriends board– same hair, size, blue sweater, sunglasses, and quite obviously taken the same day–the classmates picture is to be found nowhere else online. So is she trying to claim that someone somehow stole that image and posted a profile that also just happens to match the same name that she’s used multiple times before (Heidi Kimberly [Miller] Diaz), same birthdate (May 10) and same age (49, b. 1958) that she’s given out multiple times before?
The two pictures are undoubtedly of the same person. So, if they are her actual ‘before’ pictures, then she’s clearly lying about not knowing about the classmates picture and posting. If they’re not of her, then she’s been lying about her ‘before’ picture all along. Thus, either way, she’s proven to be a liar.
She’s a complete fraud and there’s simply no getting around it, even if you’ve been duped into paying for her for a very dangerous starvation diet plan.
John,
I think you struck a nerve! If they didnt care what you said they would not have responded to it.
Jimmy,
Super job to you and Kimmer. Doesnt matter who she is to me. I have a nice place with nice people to go every day. I would not sign up at Low Carb Friends. They are way to negative for me, and as I hear for alot of others as well.
Thank you!
Sounds to me like sour grapes!
I see the light now.
You are jealous of the money.
Something like “why didnt I think of that?”
Get a life and move on.
Hardly jealous of the money, lol, or anything else. I am upset that someone who can remain utterly anonymous can claim to have lost 200 pounds and start charging people $60 to find out how, when it turns out she ADMITS that she just stole Atkins and Stillman’s work and put a cutesy name on it!
Heck, if thats ok.. we should all do it, what a way to make some quick spending cash.
I would think that stealing another’s work, putting your own name on it and selling it, while making claims that you continually refuse to back up with proof is a bad thing.
But no.. apparently those of us that ask these questions are bad, go figure!
Hey Kevin!
Great job as fill in on the intro for Jimmy today!
THANKS for the awesome comments everyone! I just landed in South Carolina from my vacation in Missouri and appreciate hearing from all of you. Keep the feedback rolling in.
Thanks again Jimmy for doing this interview. She gave some interesting answers…
here is what baffles me: let’s say all of the accusations are true, every one. Let’s bottom line it. Morbidly obese people are losing weight quickly and getting away from the dangers of heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, and the list goes on. It works. There are different plans for different level of weight loss. I am on KE and I eat 1100-1200 calories every day and I am just fine. That is not starvation. I am losing rapidly and my blood pressure and blood sugar are down. I will NOT stay on this diet and I will hop on to the maintenance phase when I hit goal, in 30 lbs. I only paid $60 for this and I also get some AMAZING support in the forums. Seriously, it is amazing. I have never seen a place like this.
I really don’t give a you know what who “kimmer” is because I got what I paid for. You may claim that I can find it in the library or do a little research for it on my own for free but that is my choice to make.
If you feel so passionate about exposing Kimmer go do something about it. Complaining here won’t help.
Second point: still assuming ALL accusations are true, the points you are arguing about the diet itself are using old facts. I am 0n the most restrictive plan and NO ONE has told me to eat 500 or less calories OR told me to take a laxative every day. The product I paid for does not match what you claim it is.
Josh,
I could not have said that better myself!
Kudos and touché !
Just a heads-up in the spirit of tranparency. I was asked by Kimmer to remove the before/after images from this post.
There is a chance that the actual people in these images may be offended, and we have no desire to see them suffer.
Kimmer asserts that she never had a release to use those images, so I am taking them down. I’m willing to bet that many of you know where else to find them anyway.
Josh sez: “I will NOT stay on this diet and I will hop on to the maintenance phase when I hit goal”
What maintenance phase? Kimkins doesn’t have a maintenance phase. Unless you consider cycling diet coke fasting and laxative abuse “maintenance”?
Trouble sez: “She has offered proof, she’s said that it’s her in the red dress.”
If she said that it’s her in the red dress, then what more proof could anyone possibly ask for? I mean, it’s not as though she’s already been proven a liar or something, right?
Thanks again, Kimmer and Jimmy!
John, Kay, Ted and Josh:
Didn’t Kimmer make it perfectly clear that Kimkins members are to only post positive comments on Jimmy’s blogs?
Let’s get with the program!
Kevin sez: “I was asked by Kimmer to remove the before/after images from this post. […] Kimmer asserts that she never had a release to use those images…”
This is so funny. Kimmer didn’t have the rights to use these images, but she used them anyway for her own profit. Then, when they are used in such a way that puts her in a bad light, she right away wants them removed.
Kevin, I’m not at all challenging your decision to remove them. You were asked to so, and it was the right thing to do.
But just where the hell does ‘Kimmer’ get off making such a request in the first place? Obviously just something more she’s so desparately trying to hide.
You know I never liked my looks, even when I was skinny. I may try Kimkins so that I too can get a different FACE, like the photo of Kimkins in the red dress compared to the totally different looking photo she first showed on LCFriends. I mean she should be charging a lot more for her plan if it can change a persons’s facial features as well as their weight. Wow! What a scientific breakthrough!!
Dale, it’s not just getting a different face. And forget about losing 198 in 11 months. Between the blue sweater picture and the red dress, Kimmer lost 198 MONTHS (which is 16.5 years)!!!
Kimmer is selling the Fountain of Youth and it’s only $60!!!!
Oh, one other thing, Kevin:
Are you certain it was actually ‘Kimmer’ who requested the removal of those before/after pictures? I mean she’s seriously got an identity crisis going on here! How can you ever be sure it was really her? Were YOU able to verify her identity?
Kimmerexia
Is your problem with Kimkins or Kimmer herself? Sounds like you hate the person behind the plan more than the plan itself.
I think you are one ofthe most angry people I have come across in a long time. I think perhaps some therapy is needed. You are so overboard with this.
If you don’t like her or her plan, just go on your merry (or angry) way. Really, you can go now.
Triscuit sez: “Is your problem with Kimkins or Kimmer herself?”
Both. They’re equally fraudulent.
Why would you think I’m “angry”? I have a different opinion than you do. So that makes me “angry”?
Thank you for your dismissal. You’re not the only one who would like to see me just conveniently “go away.”
Remember, Kimmer has clearly issued orders to her members to only post positive comments on Jimmy’s blogs.
After listening to the interview with Kimmer, I decided to do some searching on the Internet and came across some very interesting info on Kimmer at this site: http://www.slamboard.com/2007/06/30/kimkinscom-part-i-the-kimkinscom-business-partnership-case-study/
It was written by the husband of Kimmer’s partner in kimkins.com, Catherine, and he’s posted more pics of Kimmer. Amazing reading.
Kimmer has NOT issued orders to members to only post positive comments, we do it cuz it’s the truth. Face it, y’all have lost this battle. Both Kimmer and Jimmy are more popular than ever because they strive to make a positive impact in the world. Kimkins.com has over 30,000 VERY happy members. Negativity and anger never helps anyone.
Trouble sez: “Kimmer has NOT issued orders to members to only post positive comments…”
I guess you didn’t get the memo, huh?
Kimmer sez in Kimkins Forum post #266993, in thread ‘Re:Jimmy Moore’s Podcast Interview ?’s For Kimmer’, dated 2007/07/24 06:50: “Jimmy, of course we’re supportive … but as I’ve mentioned, there is no end with the Negative Nancies. You (or we) can blog until the cows come home and it won’t make a bit of difference with them. It’s exactly like throwing gasoline on a fire.
“I don’t want the controversy here. Kimkins members can post supportively on your Kimkins Interview at the LLVLC blog if they wish, but honestly … I would prefer that members stay out of the arguments on all sites. There’s nothing to be gained overall.
“Kimkins.com is my home. We have our work to do here. I’d like the discourse, criticism and negativity left at the door, please.”
It’s a good thing words are calorie-free since you need to be eating yours and you’d be going over your starvation limits.
Trouble sez: “Negativity and anger never helps anyone.”
Having a different point of view is not “negativity and anger” except to someone who is unwilling to open their mind to the possibility that there is a valid opposing point of view.
Sorry…I am not starving..
dont you have something to do?
Kimmerexia-not: “Sorry…I am not starving..dont you have something to do?”
Oh lookie, another one who would just like me to just conveniently go away rather than dealing with the truth themself. Sorry, the “go away feature” (cancellation of paid accounts without refund and raiding of Personal Messages) only works on the Kimkins site, thankfully, not here.
Glad you’re obviously not following of those dangerous starvation Kimkins plans, though since you claim not to be starving (and I said “starvation” as in malnutrition, not hunger…you do know the difference, don’t you?)!
And, yes, I have something to do. This is it right now. Thanks for your input and concern regarding my time manangement!
It’s clear the woman has no conscience, nor cares to be ethical in her business practices. How truly sad this whole thing is; she sucks in vulnerable people, desperate to lose weight, and then promotes disordered eating as the means. Shame on you “Kimmer” and your ilk.
Kimmer is a fraud, was before she launched her site, always will be. She’s now just a fraud who has made millions at the expense of others’ health.
EDIT FROM KEVIN: This is the ONLY Kimmer/Kimmre post that the real-life Kimmer claims to have written. I will flag the others as “claimed as false”. Kimmer says that she won’t be posting in this thread again, so any new Kimmer/Kimmre posts that show up will be deleted.
Now I would have thoguht that impossible to misconstrue? Leave it to a Negative Nancy to accomplish the impossible.
“Post supportively” is for Jimmy’s benefit who has been a strong supporter of Kimkins members, their member generated support forums and appreciative of their impressive weight losses. What I don’t want are Kimkins members to write anything at any website even remotely similar to the tone of Kimmerexia’s posts. Leave negativity to the pros.
Jimmy has an important announcement later today and I support him 100%.
Jimmy,
I listend to the interview last night. If you take “Kimmer” out of the equasion you still have 1000’s of people who are losing weight and getting thinner. You have the moral and spiritual support of many friends who all have one thing in common. You have a place to vent, cry, ask questions from others in the same position. The money paid for your username and password to a place where you finally get the answers and support you need is “priceless”! Kimmer could be as fictional as “Harry Potter”, but if it’s working leave it alone!
Wow, what a nasty comment thread. Jimmy, or whoever is in charge here, maybe you should be doing some moderation.
sad…truly sad that it has come to this.
More eggs and chicken please……
“Leave negativity to the pros.”
Meaning, you?
You who is too scared to show yourself, too stupid to get how dangerous your suggestions are, you who thinks you know something different than some of the brightest minds in science today?
Puh-leez!
You have no credentials to even speak, let alone profit from obesity, yet you continue to do so.
You insist you know better than all the doctors and researchers in the low-carb field of study, yet you know nothing when it comes to real health, you only think you know *fast weight loss* and even that you get wrong.
You are so self-centered you think the world owes you something and anyone who disagrees with your narcissistic righteousness, you dismiss as a “negative nancy” … LADY GET OVER YOURSELF, you’re not all that and a bag a chips.
YOU are a fraud.
YOU are dangerous to those who need to lose weight.
YOU are wrong to profit from the vulnerable and the obese.
YOU are CRAZY!
How ya like that HEIDI KIMBERLY DIAZ?
Tell us what you really think RockyToad!
Kimmre (Kimmer/Heidi-y) sez: “What I don’t want are Kimkins members to write anything at any website even remotely similar to the tone of Kimmerexia’s posts. Leave negativity to the pros.”
As I said before Kimmer, there’s a difference between real ‘negativity’ and a valid difference of opinion. The ‘tone’ of my comments are to encourage free thinking and challenge those who think there’s nothing wrong with your not presenting yourself to the public in a way that would end any speculation about who you are or are not, your claimed weight loss and especially, your claimed maintenance and to challenge those who think that starving themselves on a plan that is between 500 and 1,000 kcal per day is going to allow them to actually maintain (without diet coke fasting and laxative abuse)once they’ve quickly lost all that weight. That’s not negativity, dear…that’s called honest and open debate. Sorry that you can’t deal with that.
And by the looks of the ’sanitation’ that goes on at Kimkins.com (yes, I’m a long-term paid member…you can just refer to me as “The Mole”), you can’t handle valid differences of opinion or honest debate and simply dismiss it all as ‘negativity.’
Have a great day Kimmer!!!
Mark,
I’m trying to be as laisse faire as possible, because I don’t want to seem partial or biased.
BUT…Mark makes a good point, so I’m going to ASK that we all avoid ad hominem attacks on fellow commenters and stick to the issues.
Remember, the more DISpassionately you can argue for your side, the more seriously you are likely to be taken.
EDIT FROM KEVIN: Kimmer claims this was not not written by her and should be considered fake.
Rockytoad you need some professional help, perhaps Weight Watchers might do you some good since you don’t have the self-discipline needed to really get those last pounds off and are still stuck in your negative thinking patterns.
EDIT FROM KEVIN: Kimmer claims this was not not written by her and should be considered fake.
Jimmy I am proud of you and proud of all you’ve done to help others understand how important it is to find a way to lose weight quickly to get away from the risks to their health fast. Staying fat and living with losing slowly does no one any good. Get it off quickly and be done with it and you’ll thank me later.
EDIT FROM KEVIN: Kimmer claims this was not not written by her and should be considered fake.
Jimmy remember I’m always here for you and support you 100% because you are a good friend to Kimkins and our members!
OK, I just changed my mind. I pulled a comment supposedly from Kimmer.
I think it is a spoof because in it she referred to the late Robert Atkins “Dr. Fatkins”.
I have never heard Kimmer disparage that man, nor do I think she would. I will be VERY dubious about any further post from an AOL user claiming to be Kimmer.
Kimmer, if that really was you, email me and I’ll repost the comment.
Wow! Talk about ‘negativity’! Kimmer’s true colors emerge! Can’t you participate here constructively without getting nasty?
Who said I even eat bacon, butter or steak? Who said I even do Atkins? LOL
EDIT FROM KEVIN: sorry to redact this but I think that comment may have been by a spoofer. I have asked Kimmer to confirm that she actually posted that. If so, I’ll be glad to re-insert it here.
Kevin - I think you did the right thing pulling a post that might be a spoof. Kimmer has never disparaged Dr. Atkins, so I don’t know why she would suddenly start here, now.
I do think that you should leave remarks that aren’t potentially fake up though, whether they’re negative, mean, positive or encouraging. It’s enlightening to see how deeply this is for those who are keeping up with it, whether they’re being nice or not. Even though I think ad homiem is a waste of time, it’s useful to see how and where it is used in this case and hope you’ll allow comments regardless of how they’re perceived.
There are several historical posts by Kimmer on LowCarbFriends where she repeatedly referred to him as “Dr. Fatkins.” These have recently been copied to recent posts on the “Fascination” thread there if anyone would like to reference them.
Also, Jimmy confirmed that it is Kimmer (to the extent anyone can actually confirm that) who is also commenting at his main blog as well.
Kevin sez: “EDIT FROM KEVIN: sorry to redact this but I think that comment may have been by a spoofer. I have asked Kimmer to confirm that she actually posted that. If so, I’ll be glad to re-insert it here. ”
Thank you Kevin. Completely understood.
Hope you can get confirmation because it would really be great to see the kind of true negative hostility that she has.
Jimmy, it sounds to me like Kimmer is trying too hard to convince you of something? With some experience in manipulative use of language, I have to wonder what that is?
At Kimkins Diet Secrets the use of “Dr. Fatkins” is used to lure those reading to join Kimkins instead.
http://www.kimkinsdietsecrets.com/1/2bigfatlies.html
Oh, Kevin, Kimmer has repeatedly referred to Atkins as “Fatkins” and continues to do so through a new website run by one of her members in the UK that cites a pile of “diet lies” and refers to Atkins once again, as Fatkins. She most likely did say that, sad as it is, considering that she simply stole Atkins 72 anyway……………… more food for thought. Talk about carb loading.
EDIT FROM KEVIN: sorry to redact this but I think that comment may have been by a spoofer. I have asked Kimmer to confirm that she actually posted that. If so, I’ll be glad to re-insert it here. ”
I really want to see that post. As so often happens with Kimmer, once backed into a corner, the “nasties” come flying out quite vociferously. I think, in fairness, as many here have shown that she routinely refers to Atkins as Fatkins, that the post be reinstated.
In order to post here under a unique user name, the person has to have an account. I can’t go make a “kimmer’ name, as that is already taken, so how could someone else?
the “Kimmre” person though, no idea who that is.
OK, I have not heard from Kimmer, but looking over the logs, ALL the comments here from “Kimmer/Kimmre” came from the same AOL proxy address. Couple that with the shown historical precedent and it is pretty compelling.
Here is the comment I previously deleted:
“Kimmerexia you can’t handle the truth so go eat your greasy bacon and butter laden steaks and leave me to my important work to help people have a safe place to fall when they fail eating your beloved diet from Dr. Fatkins!”
I find it odd that she would say that since in the interview she states that the innovation of her diet is that it is a synthesis of Atkins’ and Stillman’s concepts.
So much for “the shoulders of giants” I suppose.
Kimmer, If I got it wrong, you can still email me and let me know.
FOLLOWUP FROM KEVIN: Kimmer claims this was not not written by her and should be considered fake.
The whole point of lowcarbing was to not have to suffer with losing. Not to have to cut all the fat out of your diet, not to have to go under 1000 calories to lose weight, to have eating be pleasureable again and still lose weight doing it. Kimmer’s plan negates all of this and makes eating a boring unenjoyable chore again. Give me Dr. “Fatkins” any day of the week. My skin is beautiful, my hair is glossy and is growing like crazy. And yes if you want to see a pic, go to Lowcarbscoop.com and look up Shandril105. my pic is my Avi. and you’ll see the proof. I eat lots and lots of fat and am still losing weight. Not quickly but any stretch of the imagination, but you know what? This a learning experience moreso than it is a weight loss experience.
If you have lots of weight to lose and you want to do it quickly, fine, do it, but prepared for the consequences. And don’t even get me started about those whose do it for vanity pounds.
How many of you can lift weights effectively on your plan hmmm? Play sports? Run? Or do you care about the difference between looking like a balloon with the air let out and supple and strong?
That’s for you to decide I guess, but I’ll take strong and supple over “skinny fat” any day of the week.
“Kimmerexia you can’t handle the truth so go eat your greasy bacon and butter laden steaks and leave me to my important work to help people have a safe place to fall when they fail eating your beloved diet from Dr. Fatkins!”
Hmm, and to think I lost 53 lbs and am still losing eating greasy bacon and butter laden steaks. Not mention real cream in my coffee. AND I regularly eat over 1700 calories per day. Some girls have all the luck eh?
God bless you Dr. Atkins. May God smile upon and ask you for your recipes for Heaven’s kitchen!
“OK, I have not heard from Kimmer, but looking over the logs, ALL the comments here from “Kimmer/Kimmre” came from the same AOL proxy address. Couple that with the shown historical precedent and it is pretty compelling.”
Anyone, regardless of their ISP only has to open AOL and use the browser within it to be tagged as AOL-proxy in their comments. If she’s doing that she’s pretty smart about computers too (she says she’s not, but I wouldn’t be surprised anymore given her lies and evasive answers). I just thought I’d post this because with an open commentary like this, there are ways to make it look like you are not who you say you are, and ways to make someone think you’re spoofing when you’re really not!
Kimmer said: “Kimmerexia you can’t handle the truth so go eat your greasy bacon and butter laden steaks and leave me to my important work to help people have a safe place to fall when they fail eating your beloved diet from Dr. Fatkins!”
Kimmer, you thanked me on the LLVLC blog comments for being able to debate without being nasty.. I assumed the same held true for you, however, that’s obviously not the case.
Insulting the name of the late Robert Atkins is REALLY bad form and says a lot about the type of person you really are.
I am on Atkins (72 induction) and have lost 40 pounds in 6 weeks. That’s just as good as your starving paid members and I just had the most amazing steak last night, lol.
You yourself took Dr. Atkins’ diet and used it as your own, why turn around and insult the man that made your Kimpire possible, thus alienating all of Atkins’ fans in the process?
And.. furthermore, don’t you realize that Atkins Nutritionals is a sponsor of your beloved Jimmy Moore? Do you want him to lose that sponsor once they realize that he is promoting a woman that calls their plan “Fatkins”? Is that how you really show thanks to someone who has generated amazing profits for your own business?
Very, totally un-cool.
“…so go eat your greasy bacon and butter laden steaks and leave me to my important work to help people…”
Sounds like Kimmer to me. It’s how she’s always dogged people who disagree with her in the past at LowCarbFriends.com, so why would she change now?
Kimmer sez: “Kimmerexia you can’t handle the truth so go eat your greasy bacon and butter laden steaks and leave me to my important work to help people have a safe place to fall when they fail eating your beloved diet from Dr. Fatkins!”
Well, here’s a case of playing “do as I say and not as I do” regarding Kimmer’s clear instructions against posting negative comments, huh?
Also, it looks like all the Kimkins cheerleaders have suddenly gone silent. Fascinating to say the least.
Thank you Kevin for re-posting the oh-so-revealing comment from Kimmer!
Yours is not an easy job and I for one greatly appreciate the availability of such an open forum to explore and debate so that we can all learn from it and expose the truth.
“…And.. furthermore, don’t you realize that Atkins Nutritionals is a sponsor of your beloved Jimmy Moore? Do you want him to lose that sponsor once they realize that he is promoting a woman that calls their plan “Fatkins”?…”
I don’t think she gives a rats pitooty about Jimmy Moore. It’s all about her and making herself money. If Jimmy crashes and burns, and loses Atkins Nutritionals, it’s no skin of her nose. If he stops making her money, then she would be signing a different tune, likely to be telling him too to just do his Atkins. She never changes and never will IMO. She likes him only because he makes her money and sings her praises and makes her, oh how did he put it on the kimkins forums? oh yes, “makes her shine” in the interview. She’s a user and always will be if you ask me.
I agree. The fact that she has told people in the past not to alter her plans, and if they do, then they should just go eat their greasy cheeseburgers and call it Atkins / Fatkins instead - yet it’s quite already for Jimmy Moore to eat Chocoperfection bars and LC breads on K/E - why? Well, he’s generating tons of traffic to her site.
I LOVE Jimmy Moore, but I hate seeing him caught now between a rock and a hard place and losing all the credibility he has worked so hard to build over the years, simply because he was hoodwinked and seduced by The Kimpire.
I’m hoping his surprise announcement today will be the severing of ties to the Kimpire.
Jimmy was one of the first online LC people I found and I wrote him an email and he responded right away with so much encouragement, I will never forget that, a simple email meant so much to me, and it saddens me greatly to see this downward spiral pulling him with it.
yet it’s quite already for Jimmy Moore to
Quite alright, I meant!!
The bottom line, Jimmy was never doing Kimkins by Kimmer’s standards anyway… he was doing Atkins the whole time.
Jimmy is losing so much by continueing to associate with someone who is so obviously manipulative and really doing nothing but encouraging people to starve themselves willfully! I’ve been a fan for a long time of him, but lately only check in to see what is going on with this Kimmercrapoola. I really wish he’d just see she’s using him. If he walks away it would be better for him. It just makes me so sad that he doesn’t see how pathetic this woman is and how terribly dangerous she is. PLEASE JIMMY WAKE UP! TAKE THE RED PILL! SEE THE TRUTH OF HER LIES!
HI, I’m a new face here, but I’ve been reading a whole lot of the posts, and one aspect stands out a mile for me.
I used to visit AOL chatrooms a lot, and there were quite a few which were run by self-styled experts in their chosen subjects. These guys tended to have a close-knit clique around them who looked up to them, and would defend them to the (textual) death. Any passer-by who disagreed with them would find themselves the target of vitriolic attacks, and no amount of logic or calm argument would deflect them from championing their hero or heroine.
So, it seems to me that Kimmer is simply another version of that self-proclaiming expert, a person who has a smattering of knowledge, but an ego that boosts her up to make her seem almost omniscient.
They all self-destruct eventually. Like a house with no foundations, they sink lower and lower until finally vanishing, and Kimkins will be forgotten in a year or so.
Oh, a final thought - which group in any society like to keep their real names and pictures secret?
Goodness this is a long and winded bunch of comments.
Jimmy I used to read your blog all the time, now it’s more a farce than a help to anyone who really wants to know about low carb diets. Like others here, I think this woman is playing you and making money on you. Just walk away. Leave her to her madness and sooner or later those who are convinced she’s some kind of miracle worker will see she’s just preying on vulnerable people and convincing them to starve.
You know you don’t have to starve to lose weight.
You know because you already did lose a lot of weight without her or her insane advice.
You don’t need her. She needs you. Don’t fall for her manipulation dude. You’re better than that and need to show the world you see through her lies and evasiveness and dangerous thinking!
All I can say now is that if you don’t stop what you’re doing for her, I won’t read your blog anymore or listen to your podcasts anymore.
I don’t think I’m alone in feeling this way. You’ve had a lot of people getting madder and madder at you and you keep ignoring it and saying we’re haters. We’re not. We see her for what she is and just want you to see it too. That’s not hate bro, that’s wishing you would wake up and smell the bacon again!
>>>……….that’s wishing you would wake up and smell the bacon again!
I second that!
WhatNow said - “wake up and smell the bacon again!”
Ohh yeah! Good breakfast food, the start of a new day, coming out from under the spell of night-time, and back into the sunlight.
Why oh why is the name “Grima Wormtongue” springing to mind whenever I ponder what Kimmer says?
Slamboard updated. Sounds like this Heidi/Kimmer is really quite a character.
“By late August, Catherine had become thoroughly sick of Heidi, her moods, and the way she did business. There was no love lost; it was obvious that Heidi was only tolerating Catherine’s presence and influence in business decisions because of the work and technical expertise Catherine was contributing.”
http://www.slamboard.com/category/kimkins-diet/
perhaps a moment of humor is needed?
i can’t take credit for writing this…but did it find it to be entertaining when i came across it on another site…
“Long, long ago…
In a galaxy far away…
KimVader walks into the room and spies Ham Salad talking quietly with Princess Lettuce. Running quickly across the expansive hall, she whispers in a gutteral wheeze to the Princess, “You must not allow Ham Salad in your presence. He is a rebel and seeks to destroy the Kimpire!”
Princess Lettuce stands for a moment, looking quizzically between the two forces. As she backs away from Ham Salad, in fear of the fat dripping from his creamy visage, Leek Fatwalker soars across the vaulted ceiling and scoops up the Princess in his arms. “Run Ham! Run!” he screams.
Ham Solo flees from the chamber, accompanied by his faithful companion, Chewjerky, and escapes into the Millenium Falcon. Greeted there by Princess Lettuce and Leek Fatwalker, they quickly take their seats and prepare for battle against the Kimpire.
Atkin wan kinobi is waiting for them on Fatouine, to prepare the troupe for battle and arm them with the only weapons known to conquer the evil Epsom Death Ray and Spritzer Beam - the mayo cannon!
Who will win this epic battle? Will the powers of good be restored to the universe or will the Kimpire take over and send all to their doom? “
Cutie sez: “perhaps a moment of humor is needed?”
Thanks Cutie that was funny.
But in all honesty, I’m already totally ROFLMFAO here!!!!
This Kimmer woman appears to be suspicious to me. Why so secretive? Why so defensive? Why so nasty to anyone who disagrees? I’m not a hater, I just think your diet is going to kill someone some day. I don’t hate you personally, I hate the disinformation you preach and the starvation you promote. Simple as that.
Jimmy, I’m too new to the LowCarb world to know for sure, but it appears this thing with Kimkins is a recent development for you, and that you are normally a decent guy.
I would be very glad to discover that to be true and to see you distance yourself from KK. I have no dog in this fight, but as I came across it last week, it only took a few facts to convince me that there’s something cultic and ugly about it and something very ugly underneath all the deceptions. The comments I’ve read on here just sealed it for me.
Anyway, I guess I just pity those who are so desperate, and hope you turn out to be a white hat in the end.
Personally, I think that JM’s announcement is going to be that he reached goal on KimAtkins…
So, let’s see……………….he may announce he’s joining Kimmer’s staff…..he may announce he’s at goal doing K/E (not)…….he may announce he thinks she’s a fraud……or?
He’s announcing at 3 p.m. Eastern
Give me a break people! Jimmy isn’t stupid enough to actually listen to all this hate for Kimmer. He adores her and she adores him.
He loves being on Kimkins and no matter how much you all think you are going to persuade him to go back to eating a high fat diet. He doesn’t want to stay fat! Don’t you all get that? Don’t you get that he found Kimmer and her diet and is now on his way to finally losing that ugly fat he still is stuck with because Atkins didn’t do it for him?
Get a life people, Jimmy is one of us!
Jimmy this is for you.
Just ignore the haters and play in our positive sandbox. You don’t need them. You need to lose the fat and Kimmer is helping you do that. No regrets Jimmy. No excuses Jimmy. You can do it!
Atkins helped Jimmy loose 180 pounds, lets not forget that.
Also, he isn’t doing kimkins!! For crying out loud. Kimmer does NOT allow Chocoperfection, LC breads and other frakenfoods on her plans!!
Anyone else that eats that gets told, clearly, that they are NOT doing Kimkins and they should just go back to Atkins instead. (along with other less polite commentary from Kimmer)
I sincerely hope that Jimmy’s announcement is an END to this affiliation and a return to the plan that lost him 180 pounds. A plan devised by a medical doctor. A plan that has survived the test of time. A plan that does not EVER promote eating 300-500 calories a day or suggest diet coke fasts and the like.
Dream on Morgan. Jimmy knows what he needs and he needs Kimmer, he’s still too fat and she’s helping him get rid of that fat. No one else. And definitely not Dr. Atkins, who went to his grave a fat obese man himself. Tells ya something, doesn’t it?
Kimkinsfan sez: “Get a life people, Jimmy is one of us!”
As in “assimiliated”?
Now didn’t you get the memo from Kimmer about members not posting negative comments? Or are you just following her example?
I’m hoping you have a very lovely day Kimkinsfan!
Dream on Morgan. Jimmy knows what he needs and he needs Kimmer, he’s still too fat and she’s helping him get rid of that fat. No one else. And definitely not Dr. Atkins, who went to his grave a fat obese man himself. Tells ya something, doesn’t it?
How ignorant you sound. Read the reports. Dr Robert C. Atkins was not Obese when he died. A little overweight maybe, but certainly not obese.
Next thing you know you’ll be saying he died of a heart attack too (insert rolley eyes here).
“Jimmy knows what he needs and he needs Kimmer”
Wow, thats frightening.
Jimmy himself has said that he’s eating a high-fat diet and eating frankenfoods, which are NOT allowed by Kimmer.. so why does he need her?
Oh, right…. profit margin.
You couldn’t discipline yourself Morgan that is why you now are out to smear Kimmer and her way. Get over it. You can’t do it. Nothing more than that. But you hide behind this illusion that Jimmy isn’t loyal to Kimmer, that she’s putting up with him because he makes her money and she makes him money. It isn’t about money. It’s about losing the fat. You can’t and you’re free to go back to Fatkins if you want the easy way out. Kimmer is tough. Kimkins is tough. It’s good to learn discipline. You should try it sometime.
Kimmerexia (how original from a hater), I’m not negative at all. I’m telling it as it is. Kimmer is helping Jimmy and he needs her right now becuase he needs to get the fat off. He couldn’t do that with Atkins! Kimmer is showing him the errors of Atkins and all that fat. Get over it already. He isn’t going to stop being our cheerleader because he knows it works!
If people that do Kimkins are like you, then I certainly wouldn’t want to be anywhere NEAR that plan or that kind of environment. Is that the “loving supportive help” people find on the forums?!? Omg.
Secondly, I’ve lost 40 pounds in 6 weeks doing ATKINS, thank you very much.
Hide behind what illusions that Jimmy isn’t loyal to Kimmer? He IS, admittedly, eating foods NOT allowed by Kimmer.
And loyalty!?!? Is this some kind of cult thing?!
No wonder Kimmer didn’t want you guys posting here.. it’s scary, brainwashed tripe completely unmitigated by logic.
EDIT FROM KEVIN: Kimmer claims this was not not written by her and should be considered fake.
This is enough. Please let’s just stop feeding the negative nancy mentality. We have a place where we don’t have to be mired in this negativity. We don’t want this type of negative energy following us back to our little home, so please keep anything you want to say positive. We don’t have to sink to their level. We’re better than that. Those who know me, know I focus on staying positive. So let’s stay positive in our comments and just ignore the negativity.
>>>We have a place where we don’t have to be mired in this negativity. We don’t want this type of negative energy following us back to our little home,
“We have a place where we don’t have to be mired in this negativity. We don’t want this type of negative energy following us back to our little home”
Gosh, you are a scary woman!!! That definitely sounds cult like!!! Are you serving grape koolaid yet? Creepy!!
Kimkinsfan sez: “Kimkins is tough.”
A dietary lifestyle should never be “tough.”
“this is enough…”
heidi, do you have even an ounce of a clue how completely obnoxious it is to tell people what to post and what not to post? you’re merely a paid diet advisor (and that’s being generous)…you don’t own them nor should act as though you have a right to try and control them.
“You can’t do it.” Yeah.. like anorexics think bulemia is for people that aren’t tough enough to be anorexic. (Read the pro-ana sites one of these days, it’s eye opening).
Kimmer has now commanded that the vitriol be stopped and everyone return to the safe haven where no questions are asked and no free thinking is allowed to occur. If the plan was so good and so healthy, there would be no need to hide. If it’s founder was so honest and truthful, there would be no need to hide.
I am tough enough to do anything that I set my mind to. I am tough enough to know better than to starve myself. I am tough enough not to be seduced by get-rich-quick scams or magic bullet diet plans.
I am tough enough to debate this issue without trying to cut someone down, like Kimkinsfan has to resort to, in order to make a point.
I’m too tough for Kimkins.
As long as we’re (some of us anyway) trying to lighten the mood here a bit, I thought you’d all enjoy the oddity of this:
http://urltea.com/12vk [LA Weekly].
Epurdles: That’s exactly what I was thinking. Well, mine was more on the line of wondering if she had issued all of her members Black and White Nikes yet.
She’s beyond scary…….
Holy Cow!
Kimmer and her acolytes are damn scary indeed!
Kimmer sez: “This is enough. Please let’s just stop feeding the negative nancy mentality. We have a place where we don’t have to be mired in this negativity. We don’t want this type of negative energy following us back to our little home, so please keep anything you want to say positive. We don’t have to sink to their level. We’re better than that. Those who know me, know I focus on staying positive. So let’s stay positive in our comments and just ignore the negativity. ”
Kimmer, dear, we certainly got a first hand display of what a “Negative Nancy” you in fact are, haven’t we? Kinda difficult to keep all your little cheerleaders in line when you fly off the handle and spout your usual “go eat greasy bacon and butter laden steak” followed by your ever-classic “Dr. FATkins” slam, isn’t it? You’re only leading by example, dear. Keep up the good work!
Kimmer, I truly hope you have a wonderful day…especially at THIS VERY HOUR of the day!
After listening to all the podcasts, I’m convinced she’s a fraud. She totally avoids answering the important questions and evades even the simple ones. Jimmy, you softballed her too! But, I guess that’s to be expected, you do make money with kimkins. I really wish Jimmy would see what a fraud this all is and just get out before he’s totally lost everyone’s respect. Every person in that “cult” is going to turn on you to when they wake up. And they will wake up Jimmy.
Who the hell wants to live on the very limited Kimkins plan for life?
Some of you need to eat some fat and fiber to find your happy place.
Life should be enjoyable not one of complete deprivation, which is what Kimkins is when you look at it logically.
I have more to say on this subject but will go and eat some fat now!
Wow. I’ve been contemplating trying Kimkins since 2 friends of mine on Myspace started it. Amy’s lost a bunch of weight on it, and it was admittedly pretty motivational. I knew Amy from another board (not diet related) and it was really exciting seeing her loss, plus the Eating Low videos she’s done.
But….
After reading here? Forget it. You couldn’t pay me to do this to my body. Stillman’s/Atkins/South Beach makes a helluva lot more sense. I’m not in a huge hurry to take off these pesky 40 lbs…as in, I refuse to jeopardize my health further and give my hard earned cash to a fraud in the process.
Pakirtzis congratulations for thinking for yourself!
Seems the almighty grand-dame has spoken and the minions have retreated. At least for now!
kevin,
thanks for the interesting link…it was i