Comments on: Jimmy Moore Takes On The Vicious Vegans (Episode 32) http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/ With Jimmy Moore Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:49:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Jimmy Moore http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-20127 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:18:45 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-20127 THANKS "a vegan." But you make a lot of assumptions. I don't see the killing of animals as "suffering," but rather a part of the natural order of things that God set up. Man is to have dominion over the animals and use them for sustenance and survival. There are so many nutrients in animal-based foods that you DO need, so your premise is flawed. THANK YOU for trying, though. :) THANKS “a vegan.” But you make a lot of assumptions. I don’t see the killing of animals as “suffering,” but rather a part of the natural order of things that God set up. Man is to have dominion over the animals and use them for sustenance and survival. There are so many nutrients in animal-based foods that you DO need, so your premise is flawed. THANK YOU for trying, though. :)

]]> by: a vegan http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-19694 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:45:00 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-19694 Want a defense of veganism? How about this one? 1) It is wrong to cause unneccesary suffering. 2) The factory farming system causes a tremendous amount of suffering. 3) It is unneccesary for humans to eat meat to survive. 4) Therefore, it is wrong for humans to eat meat. What do you think? Any faults in my logic? Want a defense of veganism? How about this one?

1) It is wrong to cause unneccesary suffering.

2) The factory farming system causes a tremendous amount of suffering.

3) It is unneccesary for humans to eat meat to survive.

4) Therefore, it is wrong for humans to eat meat.

What do you think? Any faults in my logic?

]]> by: TaraRenee http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-16983 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:40:02 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-16983 I have found much inspiration from the low carb work you are doing to help people. However, I was a bit shocked at how angry you seemed about angry vegans. In the past, I experimented with vegetarianism, but now eat meat. Still, I really think it can benefit everyone if we all try to find and support farmers who treat their animals ethically. Most carnivores also seem to agree that meat from well-treated animals tastes much better, as they are fed nutritious foods and not terrified when they are slaughtered. In contrast, factory style farming is unnecessarily cruel and produces an inferior product. Also, I found it hard to believe some of your statements that suggested you don't care about the experiences of animals and the feelings they may have. You truly seem to be a caring person, and I imagine that if you were a farmer, you would treat your animals kindly. I understand how frustated you might get when people attack the low carb lifestyle that has truly transformed your life for the better. But I feel that your response to veganism was too much of a counterattack, rather than just a calm explanation of what has worked for you. Infact, Dr. Atkins himself mentioned vegetarians in his books and explained that low carb does not have to mean eating meat. I hope in the future you will rise above the temptation to meet angry people with anger. Again, thank you so much for your work, it is helping me immensely in my journey on low carb. I have found much inspiration from the low carb work you are doing to help people. However, I was a bit shocked at how angry you seemed about angry vegans.
In the past, I experimented with vegetarianism, but now eat meat. Still, I really think it can benefit everyone if we all try to find and support farmers who treat their animals ethically. Most carnivores also seem to agree that meat from well-treated animals tastes much better, as they are fed nutritious foods and not terrified when they are slaughtered. In contrast, factory style farming is unnecessarily cruel and produces an inferior product.
Also, I found it hard to believe some of your statements that suggested you don’t care about the experiences of animals and the feelings they may have. You truly seem to be a caring person, and I imagine that if you were a farmer, you would treat your animals kindly.
I understand how frustated you might get when people attack the low carb lifestyle that has truly transformed your life for the better. But I feel that your response to veganism was too much of a counterattack, rather than just a calm explanation of what has worked for you.
Infact, Dr. Atkins himself mentioned vegetarians in his books and explained that low carb does not have to mean eating meat.
I hope in the future you will rise above the temptation to meet angry people with anger.
Again, thank you so much for your work, it is helping me immensely in my journey on low carb.

]]> by: cpbrooks http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-6173 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:27:04 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-6173 You rock, Jimmy! Congratulations on your new healthy body! I wish I could remember where I read it and perhaps you could find it (or are already familiar with it) but somewhere I read that a study was done on people who had been on the Atkins diet and found that their cholesterol levels actually improved! You rock, Jimmy! Congratulations on your new healthy body!

I wish I could remember where I read it and perhaps you could find it (or are already familiar with it) but somewhere I read that a study was done on people who had been on the Atkins diet and found that their cholesterol levels actually improved!

]]> by: Jimmy Moore http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-963 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:52:13 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-963 Heaven on Earth to me, Chris, is a big ole fat juicy and tender filet mignon! Mmm, mmm--now that's what I'm talking about! Heaven on Earth to me, Chris, is a big ole fat juicy and tender filet mignon! Mmm, mmm–now that’s what I’m talking about!

]]> by: Chris http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-934 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:15:50 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-934 One would think that a true life of peace and happiness would come from realization, providing and sharing, not ignoring, wanting and taking. Since you could and very well know you could get all you needed from plants why not just get it from plants? Meat is negative as much as it is positive. You seem to have a confused, hateful, self centered idea that you deserve something just because you are human. You could share with the other creatures on your "Gods" planet. You don't have to take from them. Why wait for heaven for the Lion to lay next to the Lamb? Have a bit of Heaven here on Earth. Much love and peace One would think that a true life of peace and happiness would come from realization, providing and sharing, not ignoring, wanting and taking. Since you could and very well know you could get all you needed from plants why not just
get it from plants? Meat is negative as much as it is positive. You seem to have a confused, hateful, self centered idea that you deserve something just because you are human. You could share with the other creatures on your “Gods” planet. You don’t have to take from them. Why wait for heaven for the Lion to lay next to the Lamb? Have a bit of Heaven here on
Earth.

Much love and peace

]]> by: Kennedy-Spaien, Dot Com » When Diet, Politics and Religion Collide: Who Can Produce? http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-779 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:19:28 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-779 [...] Last week Jimmy did an episode that has been very controversial, to say the least. The topic was Veganism/PETA and Jimmy came down rather hard on them and invoked a lot of [...] […] Last week Jimmy did an episode that has been very controversial, to say the least. The topic was Veganism/PETA and Jimmy came down rather hard on them and invoked a lot of […]

]]> by: Jeff Hamlin http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-776 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:00:14 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-776 Vgeanism is a mental disorder, just like liberalism. Vgeanism is a mental disorder, just like liberalism.

]]> by: Jimmy Moore http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-767 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:00:41 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-767 Sure, Jeani. Woe are vegans for being so shunned. What a crock! All we ever hear from the media is how meat is bad for you and eating an all-veggie diet is the ONLY way to be healthy. It's all too obvious that is the biggest lie from the pits of Hell. THANKS for sharing your experience, but the reality is veganism is worshipped while livin' la vida low-carb is demonized. Sure, Jeani. Woe are vegans for being so shunned. What a crock!

All we ever hear from the media is how meat is bad for you and eating an all-veggie diet is the ONLY way to be healthy.

It’s all too obvious that is the biggest lie from the pits of Hell. THANKS for sharing your experience, but the reality is veganism is worshipped while livin’ la vida low-carb is demonized.

]]> by: Editorial: GNMHealth Stands By Jimmy Moore | GNMHealth http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-763 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:28:15 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-763 [...] If you're new here, you may want to subscribe to our RSS feed. Thanks for visiting!Speaking as the executive producer for health programming at Grasshopper New Media, I feel increasing pressure to respond to those who wish for us to sever our ties with Jimmy Moore in response to episode 32 of the Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show, “Jimmy Moore Takes On The Vicious Vegans“. [...] […] If you’re new here, you may want to subscribe to our RSS feed. Thanks for visiting!Speaking as the executive producer for health programming at Grasshopper New Media, I feel increasing pressure to respond to those who wish for us to sever our ties with Jimmy Moore in response to episode 32 of the Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show, “Jimmy Moore Takes On The Vicious Vegans“. […]

]]> by: m@ http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-762 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:02:49 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-762 very well put jeani.. very well put jeani..

]]> by: Jeani http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-761 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:35:25 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-761 I think it's funny that you believe all vegans are so hateful and angry. In reality, I find it to be quite the opposite. I usually don't even bring up the issue of veganism. When people see that I'm not eating meat they will start asking questions right away, often with a distainful and defensive ere. The fact is people are often threatened by those who question the status quo. Perhaps, your low-carb diet worked for you. However, I would question whether your health will not decline in the future from the high cholesterol and saturated fat content in your diet. You seem to be very defensive, as you wrote and recorded an entire podcast and article trying to put vegans down. You are so upset about this Lowenthal guy, but he and other vegans have received far less press than the low-carb gurus of the world. We are bombarded by milk, meat, the other white meat, does your body good, got milk, happy cows commercials, and you think vegans are telling you what to eat? I know it is difficult to be in the overwhelming majority, but I would ask you to question, who is being angry and defensive? I think it’s funny that you believe all vegans are so hateful and angry. In reality, I find it to be quite the opposite. I usually don’t even bring up the issue of veganism. When people see that I’m not eating meat they will start asking questions right away, often with a distainful and defensive ere. The fact is people are often threatened by those who question the status quo. Perhaps, your low-carb diet worked for you. However, I would question whether your health will not decline in the future from the high cholesterol and saturated fat content in your diet. You seem to be very defensive, as you wrote and recorded an entire podcast and article trying to put vegans down. You are so upset about this Lowenthal guy, but he and other vegans have received far less press than the low-carb gurus of the world. We are bombarded by milk, meat, the other white meat, does your body good, got milk, happy cows commercials, and you think vegans are telling you what to eat? I know it is difficult to be in the overwhelming majority, but I would ask you to question, who is being angry and defensive?

]]> by: m@ http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-760 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:48:49 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-760 let's hope animals don't get their revenge.. and as for the bad karma coming our way for what we've done as a species to all of the other species on the planet.. well, i don't even want to think about that.. we humans sure are cowards.. controlling and exploiting the planet and every species on it.. and bamagal, the only time 'most' primates eat meat is when it's cannibalism.. they do not prey on other species.. did you also know that humans are the only species to kill off completely another species.. no other species does this.. they kill for survival, but not in cold blood, or for such frivilous things as power, land or money.. let’s hope animals don’t get their revenge.. and as for the bad karma coming our way for what we’ve done as a species to all of the other species on the planet.. well, i don’t even want to think about that..

we humans sure are cowards.. controlling and exploiting the planet and every species on it..

and bamagal, the only time ‘most’ primates eat meat is when it’s cannibalism.. they do not prey on other species..

did you also know that humans are the only species to kill off completely another species.. no other species does this.. they kill for survival, but not in cold blood, or for such frivilous things as power, land or money..

]]> by: Linda Pickett http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-758 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:39:33 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-758 PETA=Please Eat The Animals! Lol! You go, Jimmy!!! PETA=Please Eat The Animals! Lol! You go, Jimmy!!!

]]> by: BamaGal http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-749 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 00:59:35 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-749 Well I just googled what a primate diet is----and this is what they recommend feeding them----fruits, veggies, and---listen to this---MEAT As for me gaining weight--I assure you it is most definitely possible without eating junk food or not exercising. What I now know is that I am intolerant to the insulin shifts brought on by a carbohydrate diet---which is essentially what the vegetarian diet I followed was---fruits, pasta, rice, potatoes, legumes-----these kept me on a sugar rollar coaster----I'm off of it now and follow what is essentially a paleo diet----what humans ate for 1000's of years. And I don't need to take all those supplements you refered to ---I get the nutrients I need from whole foods----not pills. Well I just googled what a primate diet is—-and this is what they recommend feeding them—-fruits, veggies, and—listen to this—MEAT
As for me gaining weight–I assure you it is most definitely possible without eating junk food or not exercising. What I now know is that I am intolerant to the insulin shifts brought on by a carbohydrate diet—which is essentially what the vegetarian diet I followed was—fruits, pasta, rice, potatoes, legumes—–these kept me on a sugar rollar coaster—-I’m off of it now and follow what is essentially a paleo diet—-what humans ate for 1000’s of years. And I don’t need to take all those supplements you refered to —I get the nutrients I need from whole foods—-not pills.

]]> by: Jimmy Moore http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-748 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 00:32:22 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-748 To each his own, M@! Best wishes as you keep on livin' la vida vegan! To each his own, M@! Best wishes as you keep on livin’ la vida vegan!

]]> by: m@ http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-746 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:58:10 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-746 yes, you're right kevin.. sorry.. i don't want to get into the debate about insects.. but primates do not eat other animals.. insects yes.. bamagal - being vegetarian/vegan is something that requires education and practice.. a lot of people do not take the proper vitamins and minerals our bodies require that they once got from meat and other products, so that could cause problems.. how you doubled your weight while being a vegan is surprising to me.. what were you eating? i know of no over weight vegans or vegetarians.. i'm not insinuating that you are lying, i'm just a little stunned as to what could possibly have contributed to your weight gain? possibly junk food and no exercise? about blood sugar levels, it is proven that you have a far less chance of getting diabetes when being vegan/vegetarian.. so that stumps me as well.. you need to experiment and expand your culinary tastes when making the switch.. you cannot eat just fries like many vegetarians do.. jimmy - i am surely not jest.. you have your cemented beliefs and i have mine.. i would never try to force or coerce someone into being a vegan.. that is a choice that a person needs to make on their own.. all i hope to do is provide a voice for those who do not, which are the animals.. just in my own community and circle of friends i've influenced many.. not by being elitist or condescending - but by being understanding and providing information that is not biased or fabricated, but that is just well known fact.. i made this decision for myself, and that's how i feel others should come into the lifestyle.. also, i care about the environment, and worry about the consequences our actions will have on the planet, and anyone who claims to be an environmentalist cannot support the animal industry and consume the products.. instead of buying a prius and fluorescent bulbs, cut out the meat :-) m@ yes, you’re right kevin.. sorry.. i don’t want to get into the debate about insects.. but primates do not eat other animals.. insects yes..

bamagal - being vegetarian/vegan is something that requires education and practice.. a lot of people do not take the proper vitamins and minerals our bodies require that they once got from meat and other products, so that could cause problems.. how you doubled your weight while being a vegan is surprising to me.. what were you eating? i know of no over weight vegans or vegetarians.. i’m not insinuating that you are lying, i’m just a little stunned as to what could possibly have contributed to your weight gain? possibly junk food and no exercise? about blood sugar levels, it is proven that you have a far less chance of getting diabetes when being vegan/vegetarian.. so that stumps me as well.. you need to experiment and expand your culinary tastes when making the switch.. you cannot eat just fries like many vegetarians do..

jimmy - i am surely not jest.. you have your cemented beliefs and i have mine.. i would never try to force or coerce someone into being a vegan.. that is a choice that a person needs to make on their own.. all i hope to do is provide a voice for those who do not, which are the animals.. just in my own community and circle of friends i’ve influenced many.. not by being elitist or condescending - but by being understanding and providing information that is not biased or fabricated, but that is just well known fact.. i made this decision for myself, and that’s how i feel others should come into the lifestyle..

also, i care about the environment, and worry about the consequences our actions will have on the planet, and anyone who claims to be an environmentalist cannot support the animal industry and consume the products.. instead of buying a prius and fluorescent bulbs, cut out the meat :-)

m@

]]> by: Jimmy Moore http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-745 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:38:47 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-745 Aw, come on, M@! Is that REALLY the best you got to defend the vegan way of life? Surely you jest? Aw, come on, M@! Is that REALLY the best you got to defend the vegan way of life? Surely you jest?

]]> by: Kevin Kennedy-Spaien http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-744 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:53:15 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-744 M@, One thing... you are mistaken that primates are vegan. Many primate eat things such as grubs. M@,

One thing… you are mistaken that primates are vegan. Many primate eat things such as grubs.

]]> by: BamaGal http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-743 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:45:57 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-743 Well---the above post made valid points-- Yes I have been in a slaughter house, chicken house, and was raised on a farm. Humans are omnivores plain an simple we are suppose to eat meat. As for the health concerns----many vegans /vegetarians do become obese---in my 20s I followed a vegetarian diet---In the decade of eating like this I was tired all the time---miserable-----depressed----plus I went from weighing a modest 130lbs to tippig the scale at nearly 300lbs. During this time I was diagnosed with diabetes and my blood sugars were so unstable and out of control it required hospitalization. In the late 80's---I went to an endocrinologist who began me on what I know now to be a low carb WOE---he also gave this same eating plan to those having had open heart surgery. With in a year I lost over 100lbs and maintained until I got roped back into the low-fat frame of mind---but that is a different story for another day---- My point is---I gained weight eating a vegetarian diet and was very unhealthy----now I am health, vibrant---energetic---on no meds for diabetes---and I owe it to my LC WOL....... Well—the above post made valid points–
Yes I have been in a slaughter house, chicken house, and was raised on a farm.
Humans are omnivores plain an simple we are suppose to eat meat.
As for the health concerns—-many vegans /vegetarians do become obese—in my 20s I followed a vegetarian diet—In the decade of eating like this I was tired all the time—miserable—–depressed—-plus I went from weighing a modest 130lbs to tippig the scale at nearly 300lbs. During this time I was diagnosed with diabetes and my blood sugars were so unstable and out of control it required hospitalization. In the late 80’s—I went to an endocrinologist who began me on what I know now to be a low carb WOE—he also gave this same eating plan to those having had open heart surgery. With in a year I lost over 100lbs and maintained until I got roped back into the low-fat frame of mind—but that is a different story for another day—-
My point is—I gained weight eating a vegetarian diet and was very unhealthy—-now I am health, vibrant—energetic—on no meds for diabetes—and I owe it to my LC WOL…….

]]> by: m@ http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-738 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:10:22 +0000 http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/jimmy-moore-takes-on-the-vicious-vegans-episode-32/#comment-738 do you call yourself an environmentalist? do you care at all about the environment? do you care about future generations? the cultivation of animals for human food is the second to third largest contributor to climate change.. the methane gas released by animals is more than that of all cars and trucks in the world combined! also, all of the grain that is fed to fatten these animals up to then feed us is a waste of vital resources that could be used to curb the starvation of millions around the globe.. do you endorse suffering? have you ever seen the inside of a slaughterhouse? do you know what hens inside a battery cage go through? did you know that in 2003, 10 billion animals in the US alone died of unnecessary illness or injury before even making it to slaughter? did you know that the largest causes of death in the western world is heart disease and cancer.. did you know that animal based diets are the main causes of these diseases? did you know that meat clogs arteries and sticks inside your intestines? that if you eat a vegetarian or vegan diet you'll have bowel movements 2-4 times a day? compared to meat eaters who are lucky if they go just once a day? also, we are not meant to be meat eaters.. carnivores and omnivores do not have to cook their meat before they eat it.. they are built to digest raw meat naturally.. unlike meat eaters we do not sweat through our tongues.. we do not produce chemicals in our saliva like those of meat eaters.. we have fingers like primates - who are also vegans - to pick fruit and nuts from trees and bushes.. there are an endless amount of facts out there to prove that a vegan/vegetarian lifestyle is the diet to follow - for countless reasons.. we do not need to eat meat.. vegans and vegetarians have been proven to live healthier, longer lives than those of meat eaters.. we are also not obese.. you stated you lost 180lbs (good for you).. would you have ever been that obese had you lived a vegan or vegetarian lifestyle? my assumption is no.. i agree with you that a lot of vegan/vegetarians out there are self righteous, holier than thou ass holes, but that is a character flaw in them.. it's nothing to do with the lifestyle they are choosing to follow.. but what happens i think is that once certain individuals gain the information they never had before and realise that they are healthier and have more energy than when eating meat, they just cannot understand why anyone would.. these people need to understand that they once ate meat as well, and came into the lifestyle when it was right for them.. and they are not helping anyone by trying to force their beliefs down another's throat.. instead they need to take part in a healthy, calm debate without succumbing to insults and elitism.. there are many reasons one chooses to become vegan/vegetarian.. for me it's all about ethics.. i can longer allow myself to endorse the torture and abuse that innocent animals must go through for us to have a diet that only makes us unhealthy and is so detrimental to the environment.. peace and love, m@ do you call yourself an environmentalist? do you care at all about the environment? do you care about future generations?

the cultivation of animals for human food is the second to third largest contributor to climate change.. the methane gas released by animals is more than that of all cars and trucks in the world combined!

also, all of the grain that is fed to fatten these animals up to then feed us is a waste of vital resources that could be used to curb the starvation of millions around the globe..

do you endorse suffering? have you ever seen the inside of a slaughterhouse? do you know what hens inside a battery cage go through? did you know that in 2003, 10 billion animals in the US alone died of unnecessary illness or injury before even making it to slaughter?

did you know that the largest causes of death in the western world is heart disease and cancer.. did you know that animal based diets are the main causes of these diseases?

did you know that meat clogs arteries and sticks inside your intestines? that if you eat a vegetarian or vegan diet you’ll have bowel movements 2-4 times a day? compared to meat eaters who are lucky if they go just once a day?

also, we are not meant to be meat eaters.. carnivores and omnivores do not have to cook their meat before they eat it.. they are built to digest raw meat naturally.. unlike meat eaters we do not sweat through our tongues.. we do not produce chemicals in our saliva like those of meat eaters.. we have fingers like primates - who are also vegans - to pick fruit and nuts from trees and bushes..

there are an endless amount of facts out there to prove that a vegan/vegetarian lifestyle is the diet to follow - for countless reasons.. we do not need to eat meat.. vegans and vegetarians have been proven to live healthier, longer lives than those of meat eaters.. we are also not obese.. you stated you lost 180lbs (good for you).. would you have ever been that obese had you lived a vegan or vegetarian lifestyle? my assumption is no..

i agree with you that a lot of vegan/vegetarians out there are self righteous, holier than thou ass holes, but that is a character flaw in them.. it’s nothing to do with the lifestyle they are choosing to follow.. but what happens i think is that once certain individuals gain the information they never had before and realise that they are healthier and have more energy than when eating meat, they just cannot understand why anyone would.. these people need to understand that they once ate meat as well, and came into the lifestyle when it was right for them.. and they are not helping anyone by trying to force their beliefs down another’s throat.. instead they need to take part in a healthy, calm debate without succumbing to insults and elitism..

there are many reasons one chooses to become vegan/vegetarian.. for me it’s all about ethics.. i can longer allow myself to endorse the torture and abuse that innocent animals must go through for us to have a diet that only makes us unhealthy and is so detrimental to the environment..

peace and love,
m@

]]>