Jimmy Moore Interviews The Eades: Part 2 (Episode 134)
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Drs. Michael and Mary Dan Eades at 2008 Nutrition & Metabolism conference
Hello and welcome to the world’s longest-running and most popular low-carb podcast, “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show With Jimmy Moore!”
Listen in today to Part 2 (CLICK HERE for Part 1) of Jimmy’s interview with Drs. Michael and Mary Dan Eades. In Episode 134, the discussion turns to low-fat diet doc Dean Ornish and his latest book entitled The Spectrum, confirmation bias when reviewing test results, the surprising effects of an all egg diet and much, much Moore! 
Share your feedback about this outstanding interview with two low-carb giants in the comments section below.
LINKS MENTIONED IN EPISODE 134
- Enter the 3rd Annual Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Blogiversary Giveaway Contest
- ASBP/Nutrition & Metabolism conference in Phoenix, Arizona
- Official web site for Protein Power
- Jimmy’s interview with Slow Burn author Fred Hahn
- Related blog post: Jimmy Moore’s blog interview with the Eades in October 2006
- Related podcast: Listen to Jimmy’s 4-part podcast interview with Dr. Dean Ornish
- Story on eggs study cited in this interview
- Related YouTube video: Eggs Are The Cheapest Health Food You Can Eat
- Jimmy Moore’s blog interview with Anthony Colpo
- Related podcast: Trying Out Dr. Mike Eades’ Intermittent Fasting Concept
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I can’t understand why you focus over and over on the sentence in Ornish’s book about adding fiber to refined carbohydrates. Why not focus on the large section in the book where he explains the five reasons why he thinks Atkins was right that unrefined carbohydrates are a major cause of chronic illness in America.
There’s plenty that you don’t agree with in Briffa’s writings, Davis’s (Heart Scan) writings, and many others but with them you focus on what you do agree with, which makes sense to me. With Ornish you seem obsessed with what you don’t agree with, especially that one sentence about why he puts flour and sugar in category 3. and I bet hardly anyone who reads The Spectrum remembers that one sentence or can remember what foods are in which categories.
I think when you and Eades get into calling people who don’t agree with you about something “dumb” and “idiots” and making fun of their view (as if Ornish endorses eating donuts with metamucil) you turn a lot of people off, Eades more so than you. Respecting people when they don’t agree with you, on the other hand, will gain you readers I bet.
Great interview I really enjoyed listening to this.
Thanks so much.
Peter,
Do you honestly believe that Ornish’s reader don’t remember which foods are in which category? That seems disingenuous.
Aren’t the categories rather an important part of the book?
In the picture above, it looks like Michael’s developed a slightly pudgy belly… hmmm…
Peter, as always, I appreciate your unique perspective. However, the example you cited from my interview with Ornish cuts right to the heart of the matter of why he doesn’t understand the detrimental role of carbohydrate in health. Sure, he NOW admits that Dr. Atkins was right about REFINED carbs, but it goes so much deeper than that. As Dr. Eades brilliantly explained, adding fiber to refined carbohydrate changes it from a refined to unrefined one, but it’s still gonna impact your blood sugar, raise insulin levels, and lead to more and more obesity and disease.
My practice is to treat people with the respect that they deserve, but challenge them on the points that are at odds with what I believe. Am I always right? Of course not. But I expect a rational response in the areas that just don’t make any sense to me. That’s what this “adding fiber to refined carbohydrates makes them healthy” question to the Eades was all about. Ornish still hasn’t explained himself very well about it.
THANKS again, Peter, for sharing your thoughts and concerns. I welcome your feedback anytime because it will only serve to make this podcast even better. Take care!
I’ve noticed a trend among a number of the low carb advocates you interview on your blog. More and more are encouraging people to avoid eating meat that comes from conventionally raised animals, because of the cancer connection. John Briffa, for instance, a staunch low carb advocate who believes meat is good for many of us, warns people not to eat processed meats like sausage and salami, and to avoid chicken and meat that is not free range because of the added hormones. He says that feeding grain to cattle is unnatural to the animals and changes the composition of the meat. He doesn’t think meat causes cancer, just meat that is raised in factory conditons. Why don’t you explore this issue with your guests, it seems like an important question especially for people who eat a lot of meat.
I have explored this issue in my interviews and am working on doing an entire podcast with an expert on grass-fed meats on why it is important. Peter, I encourage you to start your own podcast if you don’t think I’m doing it well enough. I mean that in all sincerity because you seem to have the intelligence and inquisitiveness to add your voice to the conversation. We’re all in this together to try to understand better what we believe and why we believe it. I’d be happy to put you in touch with my producer Kevin Kennedy-Spaien about starting up the Peter Silverman podcast show. Consider it, my friend. You’d probably be great at it. And then you can ask the questions that you think I’m not.
I think I’ll pass on podcasting. I’m just trying to figure out how to lower my blood sugar without raising my cancer and heart disease risk.
But if I get the urge to send you more thorny questions I’ll count to a thousand first, and see if the urge passes before I send them on.
LOL! Deal.
Oh boy where do I begin? I might be a bit bias in my opinion but I will try to be objective. First of all let me say that I am very fond of Dr Mike Eade, not only I think he is an experienced docotr, but also a very humble and nice man. I dont remember dr Mike calling Dr Ornish dumb or even inusniating it. He said he cant speak for Dr Ornish because he is not in his head. I havent always been a great supporter of low carb diets, but even for me it sounded a bit naive for a docotr to believe that eating carbs with fiber makes it an ok choice. I have a degree in nutrition and experience to back it up as well. Eating refined carb with fiber helps a bit but in no way makes it a good choice. Its like ordering french fries with extra melted cheese on top and drinking it with diet soda instead of regular. Is it better then regualr soda, preheps but is it healthier, prehaps not. And it does puzzles me how a Dr of his caliber cannt see that. And what was the last time someone ate lets say mashed potato with lots of brocoli? Usually if someone loads up on refined carbs he or she wont load up on brocoli. Not an average person anyway. Its like smoking a cigarette and then running a 4 miles distance. They are most of the time mutually exclusive. I havent researched it yet, but I would bet that people who eat most fiber and vegetables also wathc out for refined carbs as well. I might be wrong, just my two cents.
sorry for mispelled words. I have two jobs and been up since 5 am. Now its 3 am in New York. So basically I am operating on almost 24 hours without sleep here.
Relax, Vadim… You are such a prolific commenter that we’re more than glad to overlook a few typos!! Now GO TO BED!
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