Dr. Steven Gundry And His ‘Diet Evolution’: Part 1 (Episode 179)
15 09 2008
Hello and welcome once again to the premier source for all things low-carb, condensed into tasty and easily digestible podcasts otherwise known as The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show With Jimmy Moore!
In Episode 179, we present part one of Jimmy’s interview with Dr. Steven Gundry. While he’s not necessarily a typical low-carb advocate, he wants the world to know just how unhealthy the “normal” low-fat diet can be! Dr. Gundry advocates a diet low in “bad carbs” and high in vegetable protein. While not a vegan, he does eat a large portion of his foods raw. Listen in for his unique take on reversing heart disease which is based in science and is guaranteed to set Dr. Dean Ornish’s head spinning like a top! 
LINKS MENTIONED IN EPISODE 179
- Fresh Express Tender Ruby Reds and Sweet Tender Greens
- Dr. Gundry’s Diet Evolution: Turn Off the Genes That Are Killing You–And Your Waistline–And Drop the Weight for Good
- Dr. Gundry’s contact info on Low-Carb Doctors blog
- The fruit juice study Dr. Gundry cites
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Absolutely stunning podcast! Say it like it is ! Can’t wait for part 2!!
Good interview – had some really good points.
I was reading some comments about Dr Gundry’s book on Amazon:
(1) Dr Gundry tells us that fructose encourages weight gain but then recommends agave syrup which is 90% fructose
(2) If you eat a slice of pizza then its okay to skip a meal afterwards (commenter thought it was pro-ana but I think its okay to skip a meal)
(3) In his book Dr Gundry clears up the Atkins confusion – the commenter said that they were a believer of Atkins and followed for years but constantly battled their weight – I’m wondering what the Atkins confusion is?
I can barely wait for part two! I am not sure about the whole raw food thing but, I don’t think there is evidence that it could hurt. If anyone knows differently, stear me in that direction.
Great podcast.
THANKS for the comments everyone! Now you see why this was one of my favorite interviews.
Hi Jimmy! I bought Dr Gundry book when it come out. Intresting approach. I was recently advised by a friend of mine to visit a website called fibermenace.com . It created a lot of roar in a medical community, even Dr Eades got into an intresting discussion with Mr Monastyrsky, the guy who wrote the book. If you go on a website there is a video on fiber , it will shock you,. The guy is a very educated fellow, a former pharmacalogist and a very bright individual. He is an investigative medical reprter now. He wrote few other books, icluding fixing the Atkins diet. His basic philosophy is low carb approach, but in moderation. He has been featured on numerous Russian radio and tv stations I wonder if you can arrange to interview him sometime. But please listen and read his articles on fibermenace. com at least it deserves an attention.
I’ll take a look vadim!
sure, no problem. I found it intresting to say the least and he is gaining a lot of support and followers. Let me know what you think when you read and watch the video.
What a great interview! Can’t wait for part 2!
Oh, and Jimmy, I wrote a review for your show on iTunes, just to let you know!
The Summer/Winter thing is very very informative! Isn’t it just amazing how everybody has a piece or two of the big puzzle ?
THANK YOU Isonation!!! That really helps us out a lot.
Hey JayCee,
That’s part of the fun of this whole journey isn’t it? You get numerous instances of enlightenment where things suddenly make sense based of comments from the interviewees.
Vadim, I have that interview set up with the Fiber Menace guy you recommended. It will air in November. THANK YOU!!!
Hmmm, well I’ll have to check out part 2, but I was a little disappointed with Gundry. He seems like a smart guy, but on the other hand makes a lot of hand-waving generalizations. For instance, he makes the point that cattle and horses are high-muscle/low-fat on an entirely plant-based diet. Of course, that’s the diet evolution designed them for, and their digestive systems and metabolisms are specifically geared towards that. Lions and tigers are very muscular with low bodyfat as well, but not because they’re eating leafy greens, but rather eating other animals that eat leafy greens.
I found the gorilla analogy particularly poor. Despite the close genetic similarity (though it’s not as close as it sounds, since apparently most genes don’t do anything), there are some important differences between gorillas and humans. The giant pot-belly on a gorilla is not fat, but its massive digestive system, which like cows and horses it requires for digestion of large volumes of plant material. Symbiotic bacteria can break down otherwise undigestable carbohydrates like
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Anyway, in a gorilla’s intestines, I believe the symbiotic bacteria break down the what would otherwise be indigestible carbohydrates and eat them, causing the bacteria to multiply, basically creating protein. The gorilla in turn digests some fraction of those bacteria, providing a protein source. But that only works with any efficiency due to the gigantic gorilla gut, something which humans lack.
So using the gorilla’s diet as a model for the optimal human diet seems off base. Why not use a chimpanzee? They eat mostly fruit instead of greens, and are genetically closer to humans than gorillas. That argument has been used by those espousing a “fruitarian” diet, yet when humans exist solely on fruit, the health consequences are usually disastrous.
Having said that, I don’t think Gundry’s diet is bad, it just sounds like a lot of work and not much fun. All successful weight-loss diets have the same underlying core effect: promoting hormonal balance, starting with insulin. Eating 95% green veggies will certainly have that effect, but so will eating grass-fed steak topped with a nice sauce made from beef stock and grass-fed butter. Both supply plenty of macro and micronutrients. Now if baskets of greens are what works for you, that’s great. If big chunks of meat are what works for you, then go for it. Specific ratios of this food to that food matter much less than the overall effect on metabolism, which can be achieved in an infinite variety of ways. If you just cut the refined carbs and stick with whole foods, I suspect the details of what you eat matter relatively little. But that doesn’t sell books . . .
FYI: grizzly bears eat mostly grass to fatten up for the winter, something like 70% of their diet.
Skim milk has the same amount of sugar as whole milk, 11 to 12 grams. It is lactose, which is the least sweet of all the sugars, but it is still real sugar.
Very interesting.
I would like to know how the Dr gets the sugar values for the milks. Did he mean raw milk compared to pasteurized skim milk?
You have a fantastic site. Thank you for writing and publishing lowcarb-articles and intervjues.
Seen this? Its about the Lyon Diet Heart Study mentioned in the intervju..
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2008/01/mediterranean-france.html